I knew this would be difficult to ID - Packard Auto Fountain Pen Set

I knew when my hubby purchased this that it would be difficult to get info about. Hopefully someone here can point me in the right direction. I've exhausted my contacts.
Gold tone, Fountain Pen & Mechanical Pencil set, found in a CD Peacock box. Pen and pencil set were made by Secretary Pen Co. Union NY. It has a 14 kt Nib. Secretary Pen Co did a lot of the "floaties" and other advertising items for a huge variety of companies. I can assume a timeframe because of Packard's manufacturing dates and the pen style, my guess would be pre WWII in the timeframe of 1937-1942. I am going crazy trying to find a comparable item to estimate value. Here are a few Photos.

 

Did you already find the history on the Jewelry store who sold it?

http://www.cdpeacock.com/index.jsp?content=article&section=412&menu=20&ref=alt

 

How is the pen filled, can you open it (in the middle, should unscrew, and what does the pen nib look like.

 

Thanks Cluttered Closet I'll have a look.
Afantiques (love the name) - it's a button filler with a small nib only marked 14k I'll try to photograph if you like

 

Did you find that Secretary Pen Co was owned by Newark pen company?


Newark (Newark Pen Company) A pen manufacturing company located in Newark, New Jersey; founded in 1925 with C. I. Prouty, formerly vice-president of De Witt-La France, as president and Joseph Wustman, who actually owned the company, as plant manager. Newark’s pens featured own-branded tipped gold nibs and were well made. The company initially sold its $2.50 “Newark Fountain Pen” by mail order only; the pen came with five premium cards, each priced at 50¢, the premise being that the purchaser could own his pen for nothing by selling the cards to others who would apply the cards’ value to the purchase of their own pens. The company later expanded its line to include other brands, such as “Secretary.” Newark remained in operation at least into the World War II years, as evidenced by the Secretary pen shown below; in its imprint, this pen bears O.P.A. symbol Nº CA-2 and a price of $4.00.

 

Packard A brand used on cheap, poorly made syringe- and lever-filling pens produced in the 1930s and early 1940s by a now-unknown manufacturer. Packard pens had untipped steel nibs (imprinted DURIUM or DURIUM TIPPED) and were not designed to be repaired. It is not unlikely that this name was chosen to suggest a relationship with Packard automobiles; the prospective purchaser might infer therefrom that the pens were of high quality, as were the cars. See also DURIUM.


I'm wondering if the pens are original to the box. Since CD Peacock seemed to be a high end jeweler.

By the way both this post and the other were copied from this web site
http://www.richardspens.com/?page=ref/glossary/P.htm

 

This logo is the logo of the Packard Automobiles and NOT Packard Pens Co. I double checked the logos.

The pen is lightweight, and could be anodized aluminum or it could be gold. I am thinking it is the former and not the latter. But I have not tested it and I am afraid to do so. If it is anodized aluminum I could damage the pen ( I only have acid to test down to 10kt).

The box seems to be original to the set, it came from an estate, had pencil marks on the interior (from the lead sticking out ). I know that the family I purchased it from bought Packard cars during the 20's 30's and into the 40's, possibly early 1950's. This family owned a mansion in Uptown and also had a lakefront property on the South Shore (Chicago)

 

Well, I just heard back from Richard from the site Pat provided me with. I was off on my dates, most likely Post WWII, and no relation to Packard Pen. Other than that he has no info. I have a call out to one of my pen experts, and I am still waiting on his reply.

 

The only value, other than scrapping the nib, would be to Packard collectors

Being as the logo is quite small, it is not much of a display piece

The last Packard item I listed barely got looked at on ebay

 

Hi Karen -
I'm glad you followed up and found it wasn't the Packard Pen. I hadn't looked at the logo for the Packard car, so I didn't know.

I was just throwing info out as you had said you hadn't found much. Nice of the guy to get back to you so quick.

I think the info on the jewelry company was interesting. People who collect Chicago history items might find it interesting.

 

Looking at the nib and the general shape I'd say it is not earlier than the 1950s.