authentic Ming ceramics?

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by sunday silence, Jan 12, 2023.

  1. sunday silence

    sunday silence Well-Known Member

    This is not mine. I watched it go down at auction a little while ago and I wonder if anyone thinks these are genuine or at least of fine quality. Its a Jiajing mark for those keeping score..

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  2. charlie cheswick

    charlie cheswick Well-Known Member

    My instant gut reaction, is not a chance

    Be interested to see what other people say though ss
     
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  3. charlie cheswick

    charlie cheswick Well-Known Member

    What did it sell for ??
     
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  4. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    it's pretty...but not dramatic..
     
  5. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    I'm suspicious of the wear (it doesn't look quite natural to me), but don't have the expertise to know.
     
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  6. charlie cheswick

    charlie cheswick Well-Known Member

    The mark is awful

    If this turns out to be legit, then I've got no business being in this business
     
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  7. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    don't beat yourself up.......we all goof sometimes......but I'm with u , here !!

    [​IMG]...and there's a fix 4 that !!
     
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  8. charlie cheswick

    charlie cheswick Well-Known Member

    Kome, send it to the highest bidder !! :)
     
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  9. rink28

    rink28 Well-Known Member

    I was told a few years ago if the glaze has a shiny sheen to it its new. This looks too shiny to have any age in my opinion.
     
  10. charlie cheswick

    charlie cheswick Well-Known Member

    I want this to be something that cottons on, no I think this, or I think that just

     
  11. sunday silence

    sunday silence Well-Known Member

    Hi Charlie: Good god. I didnt look closely but now that I do the circular rings look awful. the space between each of them seems to vary on each side and you can see where each ring begins-there's like a separate stroke there.

    That's not how that's supposed to look. Right?
     
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  12. sunday silence

    sunday silence Well-Known Member

    I will get to that. But lets see what other people say until tomorrow.
     
  13. charlie cheswick

    charlie cheswick Well-Known Member

    Um, the whole execution is wrong full stop!.

    The mark is way too broad/large, brash

    That's just the start of it

    As mos mentioned the fake aging is totally transparent

    It's a total lemon :)
     
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  14. charlie cheswick

    charlie cheswick Well-Known Member

    The decoration is under glaze remember so why it would it look worn ;););)
     
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  15. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    plus that the most awful smily dragon face....with 5 claws, that I've ever seen.
     
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  16. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    I don't know what to make of this, but apparently you can choose your own price. Most appear to be the same photos (not the op's, but a professional looking gray studio paper background):

    $170.52 https://www.ebay.com/itm/124992554136?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28

    $119.50 https://www.etsy.com/listing/1124189241/chinese-antique-porcelain-vaseming?gpla=1&gao=1&

    $800 https://www.invaluable.com/auction-...ming-vase-christies-auction-113a-c-75c48dd99f

    $69.00 https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256803557341538.html?gatewayAdapt=glo2usa4itemAdapt&_randl_shipto=US

    And more, if you do an image search.
     
  17. bercrystal

    bercrystal Well-Known Member

    ...& P.T. Barnum lives on!! ;):p:rolleyes::facepalm::facepalm:
     
  18. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    and seems to thrive.........;):singing::singing:
     
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  19. sunday silence

    sunday silence Well-Known Member

    Good god what a horror show. Im guessing the bidders on the one I show must have seen the one with the Christies label and thought it was the real thing. That Christies label seems very sketchy.

    As I look at the one I show and some of the others you can see that the flaws in the blue lines surrounding the 6 char mark are also present in the blue lines in the upper parts of the vase, thats so messed up.

    Anyhow that one I show sold for $807! gee.

    if there are any other tell tale signs that can be pointed please do so. It would help everyone for future reference.
     
  20. charlie cheswick

    charlie cheswick Well-Known Member

    $800 dollars is just the final nail in the coffin

    Should b more like $80,000 if correct

    Poor old winning bidder

    Just a word of warning, if you couldn't tell that was a fake ss, I'd be staying away from bidding on such things;)
     
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