Large Japanese Cloisonné Vase, 18th Century?

Discussion in 'Antique Discussion' started by mr2real, Jul 4, 2015.

  1. mr2real

    mr2real Active Member

    I took a gamble on this piece for $5. It's beaten up pretty bad, but but I was thinking about doing a gold repair (filling the missing parts with a gold material). The top has a metal fitting while the inside is a dark badly pitted enamel. The broken areas have a rich copper underneath. The wire appears to be silver. The shape looks late 19th century to me. The piece stands 11" tall and is fairly lightweight and extremely fragile. Any thoughts as to age and origin are appreciated.

    Thanks,
    Joe

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  2. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    Not an expert at all in this area.
    I would not call this cloisonne, but enamelware.
    The damage is very severe and really hurts.

    I expect $5 is all it is really worth.
    So if you were to try a repair, it would be a good practice piece. In my opinion, it wouldn't hurt or help the value. Unless you are a really really outstanding enamelist.
    Again, I am not an expert, only voicing my opinion.

    Wait for others.
     
  3. Mat

    Mat Well-Known Member

    Hi, I think you are right, it certainly is Japanese cloisonne. And your date or maybe around 1900 sounds good. However, the damage is a real problem, so worth should be minimal.
    Mat
     
  4. Pat P

    Pat P Well-Known Member

    I agree that it's not cloisonne... it looks handpainted. It's a shame it ended up so damaged.
     
  5. Mat

    Mat Well-Known Member

    Pat, it is cloisonne, the Japanese used incredibly fine silver or copper wire, and you can see that clearly in the photos...
     
  6. Pat P

    Pat P Well-Known Member

    Mat, I'm not an expert and it's of course possible I'm wrong. :)

    The reasons I'm thinking it's not cloisonne are that, as far as I know, the wires in cloisonne are usually much more regular in thickness than in this vase and they surround design elements in their entirety, and the background enamel doesn't normally bleed over from one side of the wire to the other side. On the other hand, variable lines that trail off and color bleeding are often seen in hand-painting.
     
  7. mr2real

    mr2real Active Member

    It is cloisonné. Why else would there be silver wires hanging out of the enamel?
     
  8. Pat P

    Pat P Well-Known Member

    Ah, I didn't catch that! Guess I learned something new today. :)
     
  9. Pat P

    Pat P Well-Known Member

    Is there a name for this style of cloisonne?
     
  10. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    I love it, despite the damage. Is that the only damaged area? I could see turning that part towards a wall and displaying it.
     
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