Large Japanese Wireless Cloisonne Pink Cranes Vase

Meiji period? It is 24" tall and 12" wide. Got some enamel issues under the rim, some at the bottom and a small chip on the body. Being a large piece I think the condition is not too bad and hope not to affect the price a lot.
Should I do auction style or buy now/best offer?
Thanks

 

Hi Kardinalisimo,
Did you post this before? I am getting such a deja vu feeling.
greg

 

If it has no wires, it isn't cloisonne but simply enamel. Cloisonne refers to the technique that uses wire to compartmentalise the enamel - from the French, cloison. It's very pretty and the colour is lovely, but I suspect that bruise and the enamel loss will affect it.

 

I think you still call it wireless cloisonne.
http://www.kitsunegaroo.com/cloisonne.asp

"...Members from the Sosuke group in Tokyo will create in 1889 the first wireless cloisonné (musen jippo)...."

Never posted it before

 

Interesting. I've never heard of the term and it sort of doesn't make sense. Cloisonne really is the use of wires to make little cloisons, so if there ain't no wires, there ain't no cloisons. I suspect it's a sort of retro fit term.

 

This should help you: https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/32076411_fine-japanese-musen-cloisonne-vase-oto-jinnoei-era

 

Thanks Nuff, I already saw the live link. Found few other similar but small sizes. None of them have the key fret pattern on the base rim.
What would you recommend, auction style? I hope this won't have to go oversea becuase it's too big.

 

You are most welcome.

Not trying to be an ass, but the last time I gave you a suggestion on how to handle an auction/sale situation, you totally ignored it. I do apologize, but I've done all I could do for this this thread. Sorry!

 

What do you mean ingored it. Are you talking about the zisha clay pot? I have not relisted it yet, have to wait for the case to close.

 

Wireless cloisonné could be kinda like nonferrous iron, pictured below:

 

It's my understanding that wireless cloisonne is a real thing. The enamels are separated by cloisonnes that burn off in the kiln. I know the appraisers have referred to wireless cloisonne on the various roadshows.

 

Good to know, I may meet one someday.

 

Hm. I'd love to know what material they think would withstand the temperatures needed long enough to liquify the glass beads used for enamel whilst also burning off in a kiln with no trace!

 

I don't think the wires are burned off.

"
Musen-Shippio is wireless cloisonne. The surface of the objects is made of enamels but there is no wires to separate the different enamels in the design. They are known two ways to make wireless cloisonne. The first technique uses the application of enamel to the body directly, more like making oil paintings. The second one applies the wire while the enamel is being painted but removes the wire prior to firing. The second one is one of the most demanding cloisonne making techniques . The Ando Company is one of the most famous for producing exceptional pieces of wireless cloisonne"




http://wsimag.com/fashion/4457-shippo-cloisonne-radiance-of-japan

..." AR: Saori explains the basic technique she employs for her Shippo craft. There are five fundamental types of Shippo techniques. Yusen-shippo originates from China, and consists of compartments created with wire coated in enamel. The enamel commonly rises above the wires, called “raised cloisonné” or “Moriage-shippo.” Musen-shippo is wireless cloisonné. It either applies enamel to the body or applies the wire while the enamel is being painted, then removing the wire before firing the object. Dei-shippo is used for opaque, matte enamels, which were common in the past before bright enamels were introduced. These pieces were made with a synthetic glaze. Totai-shippo cuts parts of an object’s body, which are then, filled with semi-translucent or translucent enamel—a technique resembling stained glass. Shotai-Shippo uses translucent enamels applied through Yusen-shippo, but dipped in a tub of nitric acid. The metal dissolves and leaves only the metal wires and the enamels...."

 

Here is a nice video lecture on Japanese cloisonne enamelling on glass
http://www.frick.org/interact/fredric_schneider_japanese_cloisonné_enameling