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  1. patd8643

    patd8643 Well-Known Member

    Thanks for looking and any help you can offer. This jug is about 5 3/4" tall and wide. It has a very rough pontil and applied handle. What would you call it? In case it helps, she lived near the intersection of VA, WV and MD. I can't seem to find one similar or with the same decoration in the glass. Patd

    Side 1.jpg Side 2.jpg Top 1.jpg Bot 1.jpg Pontil 1.jpg
     
  2. yourturntoloveit

    yourturntoloveit Well-Known Member

    I can't help with a maker name, but the fact that your grandmother lived near West Virginia sounds like perhaps it was produced by one of the many long-time glass-makers in West Virginia. ;)

    I'm sure someone with knowledge about your piece will be along to help.
     
  3. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    This is what I would describe as Oxblood - however even putting oxblood glass still brings up porcelain and not glass.

    @Cherryhill
    do I have the wrong term?


    Forgot to say:
    Pattern would be Large Coin Dot.
     
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  4. pearlsnblume

    pearlsnblume Well-Known Member

  5. aaroncab

    aaroncab in veritate victoria

    I'm getting a South Jersey feel from this. Maybe Clevenger.
     
  6. ulilwitch

    ulilwitch Well-Known Member

    Don't know a lot about it but my Aunt collects Fenton and it looks like one of her designed pitchers except for the color.
     
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  7. Brazos

    Brazos Active Member

    We can be sure that it's not Fenton. There is almost no Fenton that will have a pontil scar. Color? It's not ox-blood. How about beer bottle brown? It's pretty crude and has an almost Mexican look. I don't remember any quite like it.

    I hope we get an answer, as I am curious.
     
  8. Bdigger

    Bdigger Well-Known Member

    I can't make out what the design around the neck is, maybe that would help us pin it down. the yellow thumbprints bring to mind AMBERINA glass, but I have never seen any like that.
     
  9. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    It sort of looks like a mold seam on your last two photos, about 8 o'clock.
     
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  10. TallCakes

    TallCakes Well-Known Member

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  11. patd8643

    patd8643 Well-Known Member

    Thanks yourturn. They are on the opposite ends of WV. We were in the far eastern panhandle only an hour from DC.

    Yes, it could be oxblood and large coin dot.

    I think there may be seam lines. Can you have seam lines and pontil marks?

    Wow, TallCakes, that looks so much like the one Grandma left, just cleaner. Will have to look at the gaffer mark in the morning.

    Thanks for everyone's thoughts. Patd
     
  12. coreya

    coreya Well-Known Member

    The thing appears to be what's referred to as a "Chubby Creamer" and is shown in the Clevenger catalogs between 1955 & 1990's as # 20 and is described as "one of the most common pieces of Clevenger molded glassware" by Thomas Haunton in his book 20th century South Jersey Glass.
     
  13. patd8643

    patd8643 Well-Known Member

    Wow!!! Coreya, you nailed it. Thank you so much.;)
    Patd
     
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  14. Brazos

    Brazos Active Member

    It is nice to know the maker and a range of dates. However, we need talk about what it is not.

    It is not oxblood. Oxblood is red. Think cranberry, without the blue. I had a small collection of oxblood and still have a few pieces.

    It is not amberina, at least, not in the original gold mix. We can call a mule a race horse, but it still can NOT run very fast.

    My opinion and yours may differ.
     
  15. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    Thank you. Wasn't sure, as I see a very dark red on my monitor.
    I agree, not amberina, however, I think that is what Clevenger may have called it from what I can see.
     
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  16. i need help

    i need help Moderator Moderator

    54046829-FD41-43A1-96E4-E6D69803A9DE.jpeg I wouldn’t call it beer bottle brown, either.
     
  17. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    Are those tulips around the neck? Did Clevenger have tulips?

    On my monitor it looks dark red and golden orange.
     
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  18. patd8643

    patd8643 Well-Known Member

    It is definitely more reddish than brown but not red as I would define it. The marks inside the neck show up in the upper pictures of the outside. They almost look as continuing the thumbprint design in case they wanted to make it taller. Thanks for everyone's thoughts.
    Patd
     
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  19. aaroncab

    aaroncab in veritate victoria

  20. patd8643

    patd8643 Well-Known Member

    Thought you might be interested in this email received today about this pitcher.
    New message from: jerseyana (1,748[​IMG])
    Good morning.

    You actually have a Clevenger "Onion Pitcher" rather than the Chubby Creamer. Onion Pitcher is the bigger piece, running 5 1/2 to 6 inches tall, while the Chubby Creamer is usually 4 1/2 tall.

    Your "reddish brown" is actually called "ruby amberina" or just "amberina."

    From the handle attachment shape, I can tell you your pitcher was made by Allie Clevenger (1890-1960) and made between about 1950 - when it came into the Clevenger catalog - and 1960.

    Good luck!

    Tom Haunton
    Clevenger collector & historian
    author - Last Links to the Past 20th Century South Jersey Glass Volume 1 - Clevenger Brothers
    PS I run the 20th Century South Jersey Glass site on Facebook
     
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