Another Siggy To Read

This one is giving me hard time too.
Any suggestions?
Thanks

 

_ighthart... Wighthart?

 

Paint by numbers? Anyone who buys this stuff is buying for decorative value and not the signature.

 

Looks like "It Ain't Art"

 

How is this paint by numbers?

 

Get thee to a museum.

 

OK, I just don't understand why if a painting is not by numbers, it has to be a museum piece. There is nothing in between?
Not sure what do you mean by it aint art. That the painting is an absolute garbage done by a total amateur?

 

There are awful pieces and masterpieces and the two ends of the spectrum are very far apart. Going to museums and looking at art books will give you a better idea of where things "fit".

This is a factory painting and not a particulary good one at that. Buy it for $5 and resell it for $25 but don't waste your time trying to identify every flea market find in the hopes of winning the lottery.

 

I see some of your points but seems like you have nothing but masterpieces on your walls and nothing else matters.
I do believe that IDing the artist matters even if he is not listed. Not always but it matters.
I don't want to start discussing what is masterpiece and what is not. It's like going to a movie. One will say the movie was great, the other that he's never seen worse film. But if the movie wins Oscar the second guy will probably change his opinion.
Why most of the times the artist had to die so people to discover how great he was? And why is so much art that has been sitting somewhere before being recognized? Or unidentified art that one day someone found it was by a great painter? Because this art was never in museums and auction houses before.
Do you see what I am trying to say? Art is subjective. Nowadays, with good marketing and publicity, a not so good artist may become famous and a good one to work as a dishwasher and never sell single piece.
Once you get famous even a simple drawing on toilet paper will sell good. Do you agree with that? Will I ever see that toilet paper hanging in a museum?

You are right that awful and very good art are far apart but there is a lot in between.

And by the way, how did you come with the 'factory' painting?

 

You seem to be confusing good art with good marketing and/or fashion. The idea that an artist has to die in order to be "discovered" is more fantasy than reality, sure it happened with Van Gogh but try to name another one or two.

To be honest, I've been in the art business for over 40 years and have looked at tens of thousands of paintings. At this point, it is a visceral response based on years of experience. "Factory" is almost a generic term for either a production line painting or a quickly made painting that shows some level of technique but is devoid of inspiration or expression.

The reason I suggest going to museums and looking at art books is to educate your eye. Get close to the canvas and see how a great painter handles the medium.

 

I get it now. I thought factory painting means a production line painting but not one made by an semi-amateur ( if that is what you mean by lacking expression or inspiration). I think it is a bit unfair to call them factory. Even if not well done, someone at least tried and maybe gave the best of him but it just did not get the result.
I will try to revive discussions on some art that I never managed to Id to see what you think.

 

Looks like someone was watching Bill Alexander and Bob Ross on PBS (they both liked a nice rustic cabin), or maybe even took one of their classes...

~Cheryl

 

In my small town (7500 residents) alone there are 20 or 30 art galleries plus "Sunday painters" who sell their work at art shows on the Village Green on weekends in the summer. Multiply that by however many small towns there are in America.

It's not necessarily bad art - it's formula art if that helps define it for you. It's not great art. It's not painted by masters. It's just decorative art. If that's what you want to buy and sell, that's great because there is a market for it.

However, to keep coming here and saying "Who painted this?" "What is this signature?" implies that you think it is going to be great or famous or painted by a master. It is what it is and it ain't great art.

I can go to Ikea and buy a nice chair, but it's just a chair. It's not an Eames. Maybe someday you'll stumble upon a piece of Great Art. But continually filling the boards with mundane pictures that you find at the thrift is what bugs us.

I happen to be a working artist who actually went to art school, so I probably have a bit more savvy than some. However, several of us have suggested you make an effort to educate yourself and you dismiss the idea. If you don't want to help yourself, why would we want to continue to help you? It's frustrating because you don't seem to have the most basic understanding of the subject, yet you keep collecting the stuff. I simply don't comprehend.

 

I guess if OP is selling this type of art and making a bit of money from it, then I say go for it, but I have to agree with Bev and Mark that much of what we see in OP's posts is not the most interesting. But keep posting ones that you think have merit and interest and hopefully we'll have something to discuss!

 

I must defend kardinalisimo.

There's a certain charm to his posts. His utter obliviousness to commonly recognized standards of quality is delightful in its own way. In the sense that "outsider art" can be more delightful than mainstream urban gallery art.

Oscar Wilde wrote: 'Ignorance is like a delicate exotic fruit; touch it and the bloom is gone.'

Kardinalisimo's ignorance is wonderfully stubborn and persistent. Of a type sometimes called "pig-ignorance."

I for one would hate to see it spoiled, like said exotic fruit, by excessive exposure to knowledge.

 

There are awful pieces and masterpieces and the two ends of the spectrum are very far apart. Going to museums and looking at art books will give you a better idea of where things "fit".

Mark London, based upon your "40 years in the art business" you no doubt believe you are correct in your view of matters and kardinalisimo is incorrect.

In fact, the distinctions between masterpiece and junk can be tenuous and are subject to perpetual change.

Museums offer little more than a guide to the relative pecuniary reputability of various works.

It may be more profitable to listen carefully to what kardinalisimo is saying than regurgitating received wisdom.

 

Bev aka thelmasstuff, you wrote:

I happen to be a working artist who actually went to art school, so I probably have a bit more savvy than some.

"A bit more..." Your humility is touching.

"I simply don't comprehend." Your honesty is even more touching

 

Thanks, Alec. Maybe I should change my user's name to Pig Ignorant
Asking for help with signatures does not mean I am looking for a masterpiece. It simply means I am not good at reading them.
In some cases, finding the name of the artist is useful. It can turned that the painter is listed or locally known, not necesarely a top selling artist. So, I think sometimes is better to know the ID of the artist rather than not to. Agree?
Also, I've noticed that people like to comment more when they have to say something negative. I do have some better quality pieces but they generate less comments.
I remember a case when I had a painting by a well selling Florida artist that at first most people said it was a factory one. It did look like factory but if I did not investigate more I would not find what it was.
Anyway, thanks to to users who helped me in the past and are willing to help in future.

 

Always willing to help, Kard. And yes, local artists sell best in their own territory, so it is good to have a sig ID sometimes. Where I live, we have so many artists who do seascapes, old boats crumbling on beaches, etc., that I just can't look at them objectively. Also, lots of animal and bird stuff (Robert Bateman, et al). I long for a good portrait or genre scene, LOL! Even some good abstract stuff would be a welcome change.

 

As social, and usually friendly, as these forums are, was under the impression that it was primarily for discussion and help on antiques, art, collectibles, etc. Can't really defend Kardinalisimo's somewhat dubious eye for art, but will defend his right to ask for help and opinions, and hey, you never know what he'll turn up, there have been some bright spots...

~Cheryl