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These are fantastic! You have a stunning collection

 

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For start, i am NOT discussing with you!! I'm just trying to add your great information for information for anyone reading this out of interest.

Instead what i thought it indeed is twisted, not loose rings. Just looked with a loupe.
But still it is fillegrain, handmade from parts, aka original. Nowadays zeeuwse knopen often are molded in one part.

Thanks for the completion.
Although the oldest known fibulea already were decorative from the beginning and not later (fibulea are among my expertises).

Yet, as you yourself show with your examples (and mine), centuries ago already there were more utilizations in klederdracht then only button (and perhaps even from the beginning). And for that the nowadays definition for zeeuwse knoop is for the design, the knot. And not 'button'.
Where the actual turning point was in history, later or beginning, i can't tell.

 

I have yet to see that. I think you may be talking about base metal trinkets, not the real Zeeuwse knopen.

I think you'll have to go back further in history than you have so far. They were often decorative, but that was not their main function to start with. It was just a useful fastener to add status enhancing bits and bobs too, but that was secondary to its original function.

"The first fibulae appear in Mycenaean Greece in the 12th(?) century B.C. and consist of a long pin looped back on itself with a small catch at one end. It resembles the simple safety pin still in use today - 32 centuries later."
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=fibula

Really.

I have already posted it.

 

Exactly. Immitations (molded, often in one part). No real.

They are to be seen in the link i gave in my first reaction. There among those search results.

As i sead they were decorative from early beginning, were you can even say from the beginning. Even the plain simple wire fibulae. Your link says the same.

Yep. Really. At most specialized in iron age / roman / slightly medieval and viking (most common for my region). With interest in wider.

The most early mycenian violin bow fibulea as well as other early greek fibulae were already decorated.
Some references from the many i have.

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Just like the simple early wire fibula also had decorative aspects.

But now i wonder myself why are we actually discussing fibulae??
[read back and found it. From your statement: fibula - not decorative. I clearly explaned otherwise i guess.]

At the end i think we may say this topic contains earrings based on a kind of zeeland knot like decoration. Correct?

 

Wout, I could quote a lot more, including studies by my father, who was a metallurgic archaeologist. I could also post photos with proof, which you will probably ignore, just like you ignore so much.

I have learned a lot from so many people here. I like the respectful sharing interaction most of us have, and the willingness to learn from each other. Your attitude is very different, and it doesn't work for me.
So I will leave this thread be, for myself and out of respect for KSW, whose thread this is. I am considering following the example of so many other members, and put you on ignore.

K, I apologize for my part in what happened in this thread. It could have been fun, like most threads are.

 

Now i am ignoring? I guess i searched back and presented more then enough relevant information from archeological resources which makes me far from ignoring. Cost me about three quarters to react this decent.
I could also quote a lot more. I guess i have the same archeological reference books about fibulae as your dad also has, as those are the books archeologics also get there references.
I'm known archeology. Regional ancient history, and mostly the objects.

This is going a direction i don't like at all.
I'm out of this stupid ... what is this? Some kind of knowledge battle or something?
You win. You know most. I talk b**lsh*t. Good for me. (i am not into such battle, don't like that at all). Go battle with someone else please. Not my game.
And stop make me look like some kind of stupid over and over again please.
Last thing i said for now.

 

PS: Could you confirm or decline this? As this ontopic relevant question YOU ignore.

That would be ontopic and relevant. Especially for @KSW.

 

@Woutinc I do appreciate your efforts to help. Thankyou for your time and enthusiasm.
It often takes discussion and input from many members to come to a final conclusion about a piece and that’s what makes this forum a wonderful place. Everyone puts in suggestions that makes the jigsaw complete. Some suggestions are right and some are wrong but they all stimulate discussion and further our knowledge. Please don’t be upset if another member has an alternative view.

 

I'm staying out of arguments whose languages are .. not exactly my strong suit. That said, I'd wear that shirt in a hot minute. Not so sure of the buttons, at least not on the shirt.

 

It is gorgeous, isn't it. The story of that fabric, sits, is also an elaborate one, enough to fill an entire forum.
There is a company that reproduces those old patterns. Pricey, but special. A shirt like that costs the earth.
I have two small pieces to make masks from, but haven't gotten around to making them yet. Tendonitis doesn't help.

 

I have off and on carpal tunnel problems - one reason I use an ergonomic keyboard. Full on split key.

No wonder I like the fabric! I do have clothing made from West African fabrics, but not Frisian; y'all have Frieslanders and we have West Africans. (let's just say they don't do monochrome!)

 

We have West Africans as well. Since 1593 the northern Dutch had an important trade relationship with Ghana, for trade in gold, ivory, and regrettably people too. A dark page in the history of both countries, but for some reason both still celebrate it, and many Ghanaians settle here.

Most West African fabrics are based on Javanese designs btw. The Dutch (Vlisco) made Javanese inspired printed cotton to be sold in colonial Indonesia, but the Indonesians said no thank you. It wasn't made in the right way, which batik was. So the Dutch thought of their old trade partner Ghana, and the Ghanaians loved the fabrics. From there the Vlisco textiles spread to other parts of West Africa, and more recently textiles were also made locally, although Vlisco cottons are still very sought after.

Sits, like the Frisian gent is wearing, is based on Indian printed fabrics.
Indian textiles came here as a result of the East India trade, notably Golconda diamonds and spices.
The printed cotton fabrics became very popular here, and pretty soon local manufacturers began to copy them.

So both colourful fabrics, West Indian and sits, are based on Asian textiles.

 

@Woutinc you thought you were called ignorant:
"Calling me ignor-ant, pfff. How dares one "
AJ was only speaking of putting you on the IGNORE list, you can find the option on the profile page of any member...


Will you, PLEASE, now stop this!

 

Added later: Hee? Where did the post from kyratango this post is a reaction on go?? Now it looks like I keep going on which isn't I'm already 'the bad guy'.

No she wasn't You must have overread it ...

Translated in other words this says the same as:
"You don't listen to me, as my father is a wise man and. You will not be willing accept what i say without hesitation (aka adore?), like you listen to nothing ... of which you should learn from me."
That's no explanation about the ignore list

Don't twist words incorrectly agains me.
That's exactly my complaint about how this discussion is communicated.

KSW explained it right, which i agreed confirming already.

Giving me the right to input some information without getting knocked down i guess. And it looks like my determination was right, but that is ignored, still.

Me? You are twisting words keeping the battle going one. Your going on. Not me!

BTW, You don't have to explain me what the ignore list is. Your on it for a while already, with reasons.

 

I agree with @kyratango. I would suggest other members who find your behavior distasteful do the same.

 

Ditto.

 

That's another for my Ignore list.

 

He is now on my ignore list, that’s why he thought my post disappeared

 

One of his own posts disappeared, because it was deleted by the Moderator. I think that got him confused.
Thank you moderator. (I have had enough bullying for a lifetime.)

Poor KSW, all she did was ask a harmless question.