Help with these John Gould Prints

Hello! I am trying to date these JE Gould prints. I have some others but these seem to be quite a bit older. The print pictured was on the back of each. I have done some looking online but would appreciate any help I can get. Thank you!!

 

Hi, Are you having trouble attaching pictures?

 

Yes, I was! hah!

 

Glad you got them posted! But now we need a clarification or at least I do. What exactly did you mean by "the print pictured was on the back of each"? The birds or the words?

 

I meant the words, after I posted it I thought that may be a little confusing, I am sorry!

 

An earlier discussion for your information.

https://www.antiquers.com/threads/two-j-gould-birds-lithographs.3117/

Debora

 

Here's some info on Charles Joseph Hullmandell:
https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/term/BIOG32324

Just looking online, I see Gould prints labelled Hullmandel & Walton.

From that British Museum entry, I might think that just the Hullmandel name (without Walton) makes the print pre-date 1845, but I don't know that for a fact.

Part of a reproduced print could be printing credits that are no longer valid.

The Gould prints have been very much reproduced, and what I'm not sure of is whether the earliest prints would have had text on the back.

Without recourse to known original prints, I just don't know. If you can find a source that has the earliest prints, maybe you could contact them and ask if their prints have text on the back.

One example I found online that was marked Hullmandel & Walton said it came with accompanying text sheet, which certainly suggests that early prints had a blank reverse.

 

And this thread as well:
https://www.antiquers.com/threads/help-dating-gould-lithograph.2116/

Yours do look like chromolithography, which was introduced in 1837.

 

I was wondering about this as well. They appear to be printed on acidic paper, and it seems that type of paper was more common a bit later than a pre-1845 date.