Featured Tiny tea cups

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  1. themusgrats

    themusgrats Member

    IMG_20220919_150941-min.jpg IMG_20220919_150945-min.jpg IMG_20220919_150954-min.jpg IMG_20220919_150936-min.jpg IMG_20220919_151004-min.jpg Hello everyone,
    We got these cups recently and were curious if anyone knows what they are. We mostly wonder so that we can see if there are more items in the set or with similar designs. Thank you for your time and help!
     
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  2. Branka

    Branka Well-Known Member

    How small are they? 2”?
     
  3. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    That British Design Registration number shown on the underside of the last one pictured was issued in 1900. I don't personally know how to connect the number to a company, but some others here probably know.
     
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  4. bercrystal

    bercrystal Well-Known Member

    Hello @themusgrats & welcome to the forum!!! :happy::happy:

    The 2 on the right look like Morning Glory flowers. The other looks to have a Shamrock on the handle & the saucer is similarly shaped.

    As @Bakersgma said above that number leads me to believe these are from England. Where did you find these sets?

    @Ownedbybear - Can you help?
     
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  5. themusgrats

    themusgrats Member

    Ok, thank you for that information!
     
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  6. themusgrats

    themusgrats Member

    We got them an an estate sale in Memphis TN.
     
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  7. themusgrats

    themusgrats Member

    I searched the national archives and found this, does this seem right?
    Registered 1880, July 30th.

    Registered design number: 352980.

    Proprietor: Samuel Spalding.

    Address: 147 Drury Lane, London.

    Subject: For watermarking paper.

    Class 4: earthenware
     
  8. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    That date and number do not coincide and this clearly isn't watermarking paper.

    What national archives did you get that from?
     
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  9. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    The beginning of the British design numbering list (beginning with 1) was in 1884.
     
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  10. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    They're certainly British. Not shamrock, purple clover. The other is convolvolus. Both are wild flowers or even weeds which might be a useful search. They also look to be majolica.
     
  11. bercrystal

    bercrystal Well-Known Member

    Thanks for weighing in & giving the OP more accurate information. :happy::happy::kiss:

    @themusgrats - Just an FYI the date connected to the Rd number does not necessarily mean that they were made then. If I remember correctly it means that is when the number was issued & they could have been made at any point after that date.
     
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  12. themusgrats

    themusgrats Member

    Oh, ok. Which number are you referring to? I thought you guys were talking about the "RaNo" which then says 352980.

    I looked here:
    https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C13161518

    Thank you again, this is fun and I'm learning lots from you all already.
     
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  13. themusgrats

    themusgrats Member

    Yes, they are 2 inches.
     
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  14. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    The numbers I was talking about as "not coinciding" are the date and number in post 7 versus the Design Registration number list for Rd No. 352980 - which falls in the range for numbers assigned in 1900 - and the fact that the number appears on a tea cup and not paper.

    Prior to 1884, items that were produced under an approved design registration (patent) were identified with a specially shaped mark containing codes for that could be used to locate the paperwork used to submit the design for approval and determine the month in which the approval occurred. But that mark did not contain the assigned registration number. Beginning in 1884 the use of that complicated mark ceased and the Design Registration Number itself could be marked in the item by the maker. The number must be preceded by Rd or Rd No. followed by the assigned number. (Note I said "could" because it wasn't always.) The numbers started with number 1 in 1884 and the "List" I referred to is available in various references showing the only the first number assigned in each year. The one I check runs from 1884 to 1995.
     
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  15. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

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  16. themusgrats

    themusgrats Member

    Thank you.
     
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  17. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Excellent explanation, bakers!

    One other thing. These would be called cabinet cups.
     
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  18. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Thank you, Bear. :shy:
     
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  19. janetpjohn

    janetpjohn Well-Known Member

    If you look through the National Archives, you can see there were many design numbers assigned before 1884. I see that the link shows this number for water marking paper, but it also says earthenware, so there's human error somewhere. Now, this Samuel Spalding is still a mystery.
     
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  20. themusgrats

    themusgrats Member

    Yes he is! I looked up the address and found other Spaldings noted as living at 147 drury lane. That's all I found.

    I also wondered about an error in the design registration, since it was under class 4.
     
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