Featured Help with identifying Ivy/Bone Items

So, I have not gotten these in so I can't really be of much assistance aside from what is pictured. I believe I scored...but, dunno, either way, I couldn't pass on the calling card case. Total spend was 32.00 plus whatever the shipping ends up being.

I'm not really sure what these items are beyond the calling card case; thought it was great it had a few cards in it.... anyway, any help you could offer would be great;

On an aside, glad it was not just me seeing the warning about proceeding to the website. SSL sites used to only apply to .gov and commerce. Google continues ruining the web

 

Sewing doo-dads, a page cutter/turner/weight, and your card case. That case is definitely not elephant-friendly and that page turner isn't either. The little guys may be bone; they usually were.

 

That's one helluva haul, even without all the misc other stuff. The carving on the card case is exquisite, both sides, and took some coolie or other artisan a long time, using many small & fine tools, an' no shortage of skill & patience...probably for minor or poor compensation.

The three sewing tools may share a common name: bodkin. The sharp one is sometimes called a stiletto...I'll try to find my collection of similar items, an' post them here, under Tools probably...unless a better suggestion can be offered.

 

The calling card case is 19th century Cantonese, Chinese made for export. Agree, it is not elephant-friendly.

 

Thanks everyone! I appreciate your help. I was hoping the calling card case was what I thought it was. The page turner thing, I made assumptions on what it was. I really was not sure what the smaller bits were. I appreciate your help on that @wlwhittier as that will help me list them for sale more accurately and hopefully they'll pay for the overall purchase

I had done some backend research on the calling card case;
Sold Price: A MID 19TH CENTURY CHINESE CANTON IVORY CROSS CARD CASE AND COVER Qing. 8.5 cm x 5 cm. - March 5, 0122 10:00 AM GMT (invaluable.com)

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Lot 385 - Chinese carved elephant ivory card case (freemansauction.com)

Ivory 19th century Chinese… - Fine Art, Antiques, Decorative Arts & Jewellery - Lawsons - Antiques Reporter

I'm not really concerned about the antique bits as I find them a fascinating part of our culture's history. They'll just end up in my display case as I am sure no one would buy them anyways...lol

 

Crochet hook.

Debora

 

I think I understand that phrase, and its inherent support for not killing elephants for ivory. If ivory items have been collected for years, without intent to sell...what is the PC conduct about sharing them, here and elsewhere? Ive got a quite few ounces of various antique utensils made of bone, as well as marine mammal and elephant ivory. I plan to show some of it here, soon. Please illuminate for me what seems to be a judgemental attitude in the referenced comment.

 

A. there is nothing judgmental about agreeing with evelyb that it is not elephant-friendly. Would you call it elephant-friendly?

B. I find it strange that you 'confront' me about agreeing with her, and not evelyb herself for using the term in this thread in the first place.

C. I think it is best if you enter 'ivory' + my forum name in the search box above to see how I feel about antique ivory, including pieces from my own collection, before you even think of using the word judgmental on me.
Feel free to do the same with evelyb.

 

Agree, the long one is a crochet hook, not a bodkin.

 

I will give my thoughts on that phrase as I wasn't offended nor did I think it was judgmental. Here in the states (like other places) there are laws relating to carved ivory. While I am not certain, I believe it includes walrus tusk and whale tooth material. In order to sell or purchase, you must prove the piece predates the statute requirements (which is my belief on these bits and why I purchased them - if they are even Ivory which I will not know until I can evaluate them).

So, just my opinion, I read the "not elephant friendly" to mean basically the laws regulating trade in such materials, thus making them "undesirable" and of "no value", which I believe was the intent of the regulations as it relates to commercial trade and personal ownership.

While we need laws, I have always contended that when a law is made, it will make good upstanding people criminals, in many instances, through no fault of their own or make once valuable assets, worthless, again, through no fault of their own. All to quench the desire for some group to control what, how or if something can be done and who is allowed to do it or own it.

As I tell my children, laws are a reflection of the morals of a society, and we are all going to live under someone's "moral compass"; these are the ones that will pass the laws you will eventually find yourself shackled with. The question then becomes, whose morals do you want to live under and that is kind of the struggle every society has to grapple with. In many nations, it is the difference to being a slave to the state (the law) or being free.

An interesting read that kind of shows examples of all of the above....

 

Thank you George.
In my mind it simply means elephant ivory, a term you were so elegantly and understandably trying to avoid in your title.

While interpretations of the term may vary, a veiled attack on one person, when another has used an innocent term before, creates a bad impression.
When people haven't been here long, it is a good idea for them to read old threads to see who's who and what's what.

 

In Connecticut it's illegal to sell ivory unless it's to a museum or similar, and as an old eBay dealer I've learned to avoid using certain words. Ivory, even as a color, is one of them. By calling it elephant-unfriendly everyone understands precisely what the material is without spelling it out ... and attracting unwanted negative attention.

It should be perfectly fine to sell fossil ivory, but I think they've outlawed that along with all the rest. You can buy it and bring it in from, say, Alaska but can't resell it. I also find it idiotic to outlaw the sale of antique pieces, especially when the market for new items is primarily in Asia. Virtue signalling at its "finest".

 

I recently saw 3 exquisite Ivory Buddhas in an antique store (Oy the price!) and I was confused that they were able to sell it as Ivory ? Could they get in trouble,even though they were obviously antique? I understood that ivory wasnt saleable in the US for any reason,even age? Teach me Boardies! This also reminds me a secret santa sent me some ivory bits,so now I have to go on a deep search to find where in the heck I put them!

 

Here is some info,it hasn't been updated in a while...... https://www.aaps-journal.org/fossil...83UFHVld6lABbc41HbsYakhrq_SCB4-ucJoU1dIlDVYCk

 

Most antique dealers/small shops can still get away with selling it. The regulatory agencies have too much to do to bother with antique bits. Dealers don't advertise they have it but nobody's really looking too hard. On the other paw, don't try to resell the stuff once you buy it. It's perfectly legal to own, just not to sell.

 

That link seems to indicate that Florida (where Johnny lives) has no restriction on Ivory. The link is a bit old, but given other laws in FL, I don't expect it to have been voted in.

 

Mr. Chaney-You scored monetarily big-time.Being that we're on the edge of a global extinction/apocalypse that seems irreversible,list them now and head for Mars( your ivory knick-knacks prob won't tip the scales of eternity).
With seven or eight recorded global extinctions it's parr for the course.
....Florida's turning into Atlantis-everyone will have beach front property there soon.
It's sad that Gov Ron revoked Disney's tax loophole,will we still be able to visit via gondola ?
Take heart,the time of Humans will pass,and '-we live in interesting times.'
P.S.-Antique Ivory will still be OK as of a certain age, (as in Native American Antiquities),yea/nay ?

 

Sooo, I know my state is a frequent target of jokes, but not sure the political stuff is necessary here (and as a property owner in one of the two counties that will see substantial tax increases due to the Disney legislation, believe me, it's not funny). Personally, wouldn't comment negatively here on other members' states or their countries...


Regarding the regulations on elephant ivory, Florida has to abide by the same federal laws as every other state, and like the majority of other states, we've passed no further legislation (and the link posted earlier is regarding fossil ivory) - here is a PDF from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service that gives an overview of the federal laws: https://www.fws.gov/guidance/guidance/sites/guidance/files/documents/What Can I Do With My Ivory.pdf


~Cheryl

 

Sorry Dragonfly-Our kids live in Kissimmee,my favorite town's St. Augustine and Tampa.Things simply seem to be at a existential tipping point globally re: population,climate,governance.
Florida's certainly not the only state in the headlines currently. Yes,have to stay away from Politics,this is one of the few 'safe harbors' on the web.
This is a place where we have to keep finding civility and scholarship in regard to our items-accurate information (and truthful 'Listings'),are keeping some of us fed.

 

Thank you, Bosko - politics can be so divisive, would hope to keep this place relatively 'safe' as well. The Orlando area has been my home for over 50 years now, and Florida is far from perfect, it's changed a lot, but it is still my home and I'm the loyal sort. If your kids are property owners in Kissimmee, then they'll face the same 'Disney' tax issues as those of us in Orange County - and St. Augustine is one of my favorite towns too, with Tampa/St. Pete/Clearwater also a frequent destination.

~Cheryl