Featured Curious about some finds: 2 Chinese(?) stamps, 3 animal teeth keychain fobs(?), and 2 no clues

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  1. squarecoats

    squarecoats Member

    Hi everyone, I'm grouping these three sets in one post to hopefully not take up too much space on the forum but each set is unrelated to the others.

    I have a pair of what I think are Chinese stamps, possibly for sort of signing letters and the like so I didn't include photos of the stamp end just in case whoever they originally belonged to might appreciate the privacy (or something like that anyway). They are both small and heavy for their size. One looks like maybe copper on the outside. One has an engraving on the side but not the other. They both have little cases with what I am guessing is space to put an ink block or something. Can anyone speculate anything about them to me like age, materials, anything that seems interesting about them, etc.? Or is there anything anyone recognizes about them?

    Then there's three objects I think are like a fang, molar tooth or something?, and maybe a horn? No idea if from the same animal or multiple species or what. I think they would be to basically put on a keychain or something similar but I have no idea really. Any thoughts?

    Last are two primarily wooden objects and I have no idea what they could be. One has extensive metal inlay and then atop a post standing on one of its surfaces there's like a sphere in multiple pieces, I think maybe broken but held sort of rigid in place, and out the other end there's a nail-like object that if you press it into the wooden thing it relieves the rigidity of the sphere pieces but they don't fall out. This might be a daft description to someone who knows what this is. The other wooden thing is much more plain. I don't know what relation they might have to each other but I found them together.

    Thank you so much for your thoughts and time! IMG_20220317_170538.jpg IMG_20220317_170738.jpg IMG_20220317_170905.jpg IMG_20220317_170538.jpg IMG_20220317_170738.jpg IMG_20220317_170905.jpg IMG_20220317_171129.jpg IMG_20220317_171200.jpg IMG_20220317_171241.jpg IMG_20220317_170935.jpg IMG_20220317_171424.jpg IMG_20220317_171509.jpg
     
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  2. squarecoats

    squarecoats Member

    Sorry I didn't realize the photo limit per post! I read the rules sometime ago and have a poor memory now and then. I hope it's okay to add photos with replies.. IMG_20220317_164927.jpg IMG_20220317_164821.jpg IMG_20220317_164624.jpg IMG_20220317_164805.jpg
     
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  3. squarecoats

    squarecoats Member

    Ok last set IMG_20220317_172606.jpg IMG_20220317_172825.jpg IMG_20220317_172738.jpg IMG_20220317_172810.jpg IMG_20220317_172831.jpg IMG_20220317_172916.jpg IMG_20220317_173024.jpg IMG_20220317_173240.jpg IMG_20220317_173337.jpg IMG_20220317_173355.jpg
     
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  4. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    the long pendant....eagle claw
    the 2 bottom items I think are shoes..

    now please go back to your posts hit EDIT and then FULL IMAGE....so we can see what the hell is going on............
     
  5. squarecoats

    squarecoats Member

    Oops.. (ㅎωㅎ*) I have learned
     
  6. Roaring20s

    Roaring20s Well-Known Member

    Nice stuff! :wideyed:

    Too cool, as the person walks in the shoe, the pin opens and closes the flower!?
     
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  7. Shangas

    Shangas Underage Antiques Collector and Historian

    They're not stamps. They're seals. Also known as chops.

    There are LOADS of different kinds of chops. Concealing what's written on them doesn't really serve any purpose.
     
  8. kyratango

    kyratango Bug jewellery addiction!

    The animals fobs-pendants are German Bavarian « charivari »:).
    Those Middle oriental shoes are stunning!!!
     
  9. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    in my understanding a Charivari in German - although the word is of French origin - always needs a chain.
    in German thsoe single items are called Grandl/ Grandel.
    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandel

    https://www.google.ch/search?source...ZYZA3QQjJkEegQIAhAC&biw=1184&bih=527&dpr=1.62

    might be Victorian as well because Vicki's Bertie imported all that disgusting stuff from his Heimatland.
     
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  10. kyratango

    kyratango Bug jewellery addiction!

  11. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

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  12. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    that's okay. Charivari comes from noise-making and is still part of the carnaval. the link would be the chain that makes the hangers sound when worn.
    but I don't insist. useless .
     
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  13. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    The animal bits - the first on the left is a bird talon, as @komokwa said. The middle one, the beginning nub of a deer antler. The one on the right is a pair of elk (called "red deer" in Europe) "ivories" - vestigial tusks found in the upper jawbone.
    https://www.wideopenspaces.com/elk-...to-extract-them-and-why-you-should-keep-them/

    The shoes are probably from India, known as "padukas".
    [​IMG]
    https://northamptonmuseums.wordpress.com/2017/04/03/shoe-of-the-month-paduka/

    https://www.sfomuseum.org/exhibitions/stepping-out-shoes-world-cultures/gallery#7
     
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  14. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Short visit, to explain the following;):
    Yes, the elk/deer teeth are known as Grandl.:) They are often worn on Charivaris.
    The Charivari is a charm chain for men, introduced just before 1800. Charivaris are short, like watch chains, and attached to a waistcoat or jacket, or even as an extension of a watch chain.
    Before the separate Charivari chain, protective and good luck charms were attached to rosaries, which both men and women carried with them or even wore as necklaces.
    The charms included charms we know from Italy or the Islamic world, like the fig fist (manu fica) and a delicate filigree flat hand (like a hamsa/hand of Fatima). Also saint's medallions and tiny vials with healing fluids.

    The eagle talon charm is mostly worn on Charivaris from the Berchtesgaden region, southeast Bavaria, Germany. Berchtesgaden Charivaris have the greatest diversity of animal charms, often to do with masculinity.

    (Back to my den:))
     
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  15. Firemandk

    Firemandk Well-Known Member

    @Any Jewelry , hope you are doing better , miss seeing you as much , but sure glad you are still posting.... always amazing what you know .

    Dan
     
  16. Matahari

    Matahari Well-Known Member

    a wonderfull find of goodies !
    After seeing your amazing shoes I had a look aroud the Bata museum in Toronto
    ( a virtual visit between trains :)
    https://batashoemuseum.ca/perfect-pair/
    indian Paducas paduca.png

    I hope I cause no probs in posting here dumb.jpg
     
  17. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    so...ya have em...
    where'd u get them
    how long have u had then
    where r u
    /????

    for any more items, please supply more info , and sizes....;)

    help us....to help you !!!:)
     
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  18. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Thanks Dan, that is very kind of you. I hope you and your lovely family are well.
    I am still inclined to do too much, like look in on Antiquers.:playful: And it takes long to find the right words and compose sentences.
    I'm sure things will improve though, but it'll take time. (And discipline.:banghead::shame:)
     
  19. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    Beautiful trove of curiosities-did you find these all at one Thrift Store ?
     
  20. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    It looks like you came across a cache of some long gone world traveler.I would keep haunting this store until these folks estate is exhausted.
     
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