Are These Ivory Netsukes???

Discussion in 'Tribal Art' started by thevoyager, Feb 10, 2022.

  1. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    what ever floats yer boat !!
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    ( did I just say that.....:wacky::wacky:_):rolleyes:
     
  2. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    Uhmmm, yep. Sailed right into it.
     
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  3. Barry Stephen

    Barry Stephen Active Member

    hi
    with the curved backs , could be carved from bone. Remind me of those 'Tiki' figures from new zealand or polynesia?
     
  4. George Chaney

    George Chaney Well-Known Member

    You need some higher quality photos. It would also help to have a close up of the surface so you can see clearly whether there are indication that these may be ivory.

    My personal opinion is they are bone. Could be resin but ... see above about better pictures. These look tribal, if carved bone, the yellowing says age, the style should be identifiable if authentic tribal. Just hope they are not carved human bone from cannibal tribes...a collection of femur bones? :(

    Hopefully you get the attention of someone that knows more about these items. I am here simply for entertainment purposes until they arrive :)
     
  5. all_fakes

    all_fakes Well-Known Member

    I'm sorry, I stand by my earlier posts, #26 & 27. The coloring is exactly what is produced in the Indonesian cottage industry, by dunking in tea for various lengths of time. (I've done that myself as an experiment, with a collection of similar Indonesian pendants - and these are the colors you get by steeping for an hour or a day.) Yes, they are bone, from the local water-buffalo, hand-carved by the thousands and sold to the bead-trade. If you can find the online source, in a bead-seller's catalog, they will cost less than $1 each in bulk.
    One simply does not find authentic tribal items, from any culture, in large groups of nearly identical items, none showing wear or damage.
     
  6. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Sometimes, a person just has to come out of hiding.:pompous:
    Welcome Barry. Sorry, not Maori, they lack the sophistication.
    George, 'tribal' isn't actually a definition when talking styles.
    There are several people on this forum who know certain ethnographic styles, and can define them. Together, they have most of the world of ethnographic art covered.
    Of course other opinions are welcome, but it is best to back those up with proof or knowledge.

    @all_fakes is not only a go-to person for certain styles, he is also well-known for identifying 'fake tribal' and 'tribal wannabes', and not just on this forum. While he may not have come across exactly the same pendants, he does know the faking process.
    Stylistically, I can only add that the oddly bent legs are also seen on Hungana figurines (DRC), but that is as far as the comparison goes. All other details and aspects of Hungana carvings are entirely different, so that is not a rabbit hole to go down in.;)
    The fact that the pendants are not identifiable, and they look like a mishmash of styles, likely point to 'tribal wannabes' imo.

    (Off now:))
     
    Last edited: Mar 11, 2022
  7. George Chaney

    George Chaney Well-Known Member

    Yes, tribal was used a generic description of something made by as an example "native american" which have numerous tribes. Specific origin would be as an example, given I live on their former tribal land, Cherokee. There are all sorts of "Tribes" from around the globe. They have the look of an African tribe, IMHO but this type of style could be pacific or some other region, but as I noted, my opinion on the matter was purely for entertainment value :)

    Peace out.
     
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