Featured Coiled pine needle basket, Where from?

This little basket was very inexpensive so not worried if it is nothing. I have seen similar that have been called N/A but Ill let the experts tell me what i have first.
thank in advance
Mikey

 

@Bdigger is likely to have an idea.

 

Forgot to mention the size
7" × 5"

 

It’s a pine needle basket. Often associated with the Seminole tribe of Florida. I’m seeing some unusual techniques used here. I don’t know enough to say if it is NA or not. Looks kind of crude to me. The pine needle sheaths weren’t removed, and can’t make out what was used to bind it. The shape is Wonky too. Seminole baskets are very artistic. This looks hobbiest made to me. Maybe @toupou can tell us more.
Still a nice thing to find.

 

Thanks INH. I knew I had it wrong and was just searching for the correct spelling to fix it.

 

@Taupou

 

Oops

 

I know jake about pine baskets, but wonky is the name of that tune. Looks like what I'd wind up with if I tried making one.

 

They can’t be anything like the pine needles we get in the UK as they are very short. It’s a cute basket.

 

Any other basket experts?

 

I'm definitely not an expert, but I agree with what @Bdigger said above. It looks like a hobbyist made it, and lacks some of the finesse I associate with NA ones, no matter from what region.

 

That's interesting. Others I have shown it to are relating it to California Native American Needle baskets?
Mikey

 

Perhaps similar to this one?

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/antique-pine-needle-basket-native-430803615

 

Interestingly, I found another one extremely similar to the Worthpoint one, but it was claimed to be Papago. These seem like tribal attributions that are at best just guesses.

 

That may well be. As I said, I'm no expert. I searched two books, American Indian Baskets by Turnbaugh and Turnbaugh and Art of the Basket by Sentance, without finding any sure-fire matches.

 

That was one that I was thinking about. Wondering what it sold for?

 

I found a similar basket on ebay, with the large needle bundles, and stitching material that appears the same:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/284528090381?hash=item423f321d0d:g:p-gAAOSw0mdhfctp

The seller said "All provenance available upon request". So I sent him a message, and he replied promptly:
"This particular basket was made in 1972, by a registered member of a conjoined tribe: Alabama-Coushatta tribe of Central Texas. The Alabama tribe was originally part of the Cherokee nation, until the late 18th century, when they were forced out of their land by the British and had to migrate west into Texas between the Sabine and Neches rivers. The tribe then created a treaty with both the American people and subsequently melded into the Coushatta nation. The basket weaver that created the basket is a 71 year old woman named, Peggy Battis. The basket was given to a family member as a gift in 1977, and then it was given to me in 2010."

I would not have identified such baskets as Native American, so it was very interesting to find an apparently well documented example.

I found a couple of other similar ones, also on ebay, but without provenance:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/185133707005?hash=item2b1ad42efd:g:n8EAAOSwvddfwVvc


https://www.ebay.com/itm/164392973244?hash=item264695b3bc:g:7c8AAOSwiGJfZ73g

 

Here is another on worthpoint, with an attribution that is consistent with the Texas Coushatta connection:

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/alabama-coushatta-east-texas-pine-197937726

"From Woodville, Texas estate, 1930's -1940's Souvenir Pine Needle Basket made by the Alabama - Coushatta Indians for the tourist trade. This basket is approximately 5 inches tall and has a diameter of about 7 inches. These were sold at the Reservation Gift Shop and by Indians who set up on the side of the road. Becoming quite scarce!"

 

@2manybooks You are kinda amazing... Thanks for your detective work!