Featured Another Ladybrancher? Unusual chain link filigree necklace with pendant

Discussion in 'Jewelry' started by scoutshouse, Nov 30, 2018.

  1. scoutshouse

    scoutshouse Well-Known Member

    Was wondering if this might possibly be classified as "Spanish Colonial" silver? The pendant is slightly mismatched, colorwise, but does appear to have a mark "XVII"?

    The rest is unmarked. As I've looked from time to time for comps on the chain style, most of them have turned out to be broken links - some call it Art Deco. Really don't know - there's much more filigree out there in the world I'd like to learn about.

    I fell for the chain style and drop, and thought about using it for a German crystal pendant I've had for many years. I've never had a chain that suited it, and I'm not in love with the pendant on this piece. If it's really old and all original, I probably wouldn't attempt it, but I think it would look wonderful.

    Thanks!

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  2. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Gorgeous necklace. The pendant is missing three dangles, maybe filigree teardrop shapes, maybe little silver bells.
    Personally I wouldn't wear the German Bauhaus influenced pendant with the filigree necklace. To me the styles are at opposite ends of the scale, so to speak.
    The German pendant will be a stunner on a simple necklace, or silver torque.
     
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  3. scoutshouse

    scoutshouse Well-Known Member

    Yes, I noticed that...

    I know it sounds weird, especially because the pendant is so sturdy, but think it would look amazing. Maybe locate a chain with a drop like that. Otherwise, it has a tendency to swing.

    How about the mark, anyone?
     
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  4. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    I'm with AJ..the fillgree looks good with the filligree....

    That rock would be well served with a more substantial Deco look chain..
     
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  5. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    The XVII marking is unlikely to be a maker's mark and certainly isn't a silver fineness mark. I'm not sure why you asked about "Spanish Colonial" silver. There are many places in the world that have made filigree items. Spain is the last place I would have thought about myself. Maybe @DragonflyWink has thoughts.
     
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  6. scoutshouse

    scoutshouse Well-Known Member

    I should have been more specific - Spanish Colonial Style by way of New Mexico or Oaxaca...

    I came across the term researching these:

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    Just the other day, I was looking a piece from Palestine - what interested me about it was it was very stiff - not flexible at all - and shiny, almost like it was machined stainless steel. (not this piece)

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    I know filigree comes from all over the world, not just Mexico - Any suggestion or impressions out there are welcome.

    If not a makers mark, any idea what the XVII might signify, @Bakersgma ?

    Gave me the idea to look for a chain with a drop like that :) I have a few other pendants that have never found just the right chain. Still looking...

    Don't worry, Jewelies: I won't be hacking it up, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone else did :angelic:
     
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  7. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    I'm afraid I have no clue about the XVII. Could be something meaningful to the maker or a repairer or the owner? But what that might be, your guess is as good as mine (and mine's pretty clueless ;) )
     
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  8. scoutshouse

    scoutshouse Well-Known Member

    Wish I could have studied at the knee of Ladybranch!
     
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  9. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    All her posts are still here..... :happy::happy:
     
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  10. scoutshouse

    scoutshouse Well-Known Member

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    scoutshouse Well-Known Member

  12. i need help

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    A84CC0B2-7D2A-4659-A9E7-E99CCA7C9FE2.jpeg Is this just scratches?
     
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  13. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    What is the question? "Spanish Colonial",could be any number of countries which were under Spanish rule... Mexico,Philippines,central and south America,etc.The ebay piece is a piece of "junk" with broken links and excess solder over most of it.Your pendant has excess solder also.
     
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  14. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    Big blob of excess solder half filed off.
     
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  15. scoutshouse

    scoutshouse Well-Known Member

    I see it, @Hollyblue - I don't think the pendant is original to the chain. The color is off and its a different texture. You can see the solder powder(?) coating the inside of it.

    Take Spanish Colonial Style off the table - I'm not married to it... Any clinical observations or style comparisons are welcome and appreciated.
     
  16. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Hm. This could be from Turkey, Malta, Portugal, India, Ohrid or several other places where silver filigree was and is still made.Not much help, I know. Gut feel is Turkey.
     
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  17. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Gorgeous earrings, but as you can see the style is very different from your necklace. The techniques are also different, your necklace is filigree, the technique of the earrings is called cannetille.

    As Holly pointed out, Spanish Colonial filigree could be from many places around the globe. It is often combined with other techniques.
    In my opinion the most beautiful Spanish Colonial jewellery is from the Philippines, where the style owes more to the refined filigree which was already being made in the Southeast Asian island states of present day Philppines and Indonesia.
    This stunner is pre-Colonial Philippino, 1000 yrs old:

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    Colonial style 'tamborin' necklaces from the Philippines:
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    http://www.thehappylab.com.ph/latest-post/heirloom-pieces-tambourine-jewelry/

    There is a long filigree tradition in Spain, but it is generally less refined than other Southern European filigree or SE Asian filigree. The southern Spanish town of Cordoba is still known for filigree manufacture.

    I know Spanish Colonial is now off the table, but I am posting these to help recognize the differences.

    The lovely brooch from Palestine is made in the Ottoman filigree style, which is really Armenian. Ottoman/Armenian filigree has 'bones', the support wires of the design are relatively thick, as you can see in the swirls of the petals.

    I can't pinpoint the style of your necklace, but I see it a lot in Central European auctions, and sometimes here in the Netherlands as well.
    The flower pendant could be Middle Eastern, where filigree was introduced by Armenian gold- and silversmiths. Not as solid as Turkish, but leaning towards the style.
     
  18. Hi there

    I have a couple of these type of necklaces.
    One of my books -places this type of circular filigree link to Genoa Italy
    This is one of mine
    I think they have been making the style for decades - so some are considerably older than others

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  19. scoutshouse

    scoutshouse Well-Known Member

    WOW, @Jewelscollectingdust

    Beautiful! Yours looks Victorian... Thank you so much for coming on board and commenting :) much appreciated! I'm still looking for comps - not easy to find

    Which book?

    You too, @Any Jewelry

    All that information is soo helpful :)

    Just recalling that those earrings came from an estate here in California. There were only a few pieces of jewelry belonging to an Italian immigrant grandmother, long gone. I think she came here sometime in the 30s - that is all I know about them.

    My pair are "convertible" - the bottom drops are detachable.

    The sprocket-like forms are what distinguishes this pair. Both pairs below are described as Mexican Wedding Earrings - the second (on Ruby Lane) are Guzano, or "Worm" style from Oaxaca. There's just a lot of overlap with this type of jewelry.

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  20. scoutshouse

    scoutshouse Well-Known Member

    I did find one pair exactly like mine awhile ago - may have been on a different computer, bc I don't have a bookmark for it... :(
     
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