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Discussion in 'Art' started by SebV, Oct 25, 2021.

  1. SebV

    SebV Sebastian V

    I just won this painting. I am a new collector and fell in love with it. I would like to know any kind of information if possible for it. The only things I know is that it is from 17th century, Italian school and that it was at some point restored. It comes from a well known antique shop from Italy and it is accompanied with a certificate of authenticity. Any info on the artist or what it represents will be appreciated a lot. Also I would like some feedback on one of my first purchases. IMG_20211025_133556.jpg IMG_20211025_152250.jpg IMG_20211025_152223.jpg Thank you all in advance!
     
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  2. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    It is lovely Seb.
    This may sound strange, but to me it looks like he is holding truffles, and the implement could be a truffle scoop. The patron saint of truffle hunters maybe?:playful:
     
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  3. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    White wintertruffle:
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  4. Lithographer

    Lithographer Well-Known Member

    Congratulations, what a nice painting! I don't have any knowledge of 17th century Italian paintings, but I do agree that it has been conserved or restored. The stretcher bars look more like early 20th century and I would guess the frame is from the same time period. Is there some useful information on the label? If so, a pic would be nice.
     
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  5. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    It looks like it was once part of a larger painting.

    Apparently the patron saint of truffle farmers is St Anthony the Abbott, probably because he is the patron of farmers in general, and he is often depicted with a pig. This is not Anthony the Abbott.
     
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  6. SebV

    SebV Sebastian V

    Why do you think that it could be part of a larger one?
     
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  7. SebV

    SebV Sebastian V

    Thank you for your answer. I don't have the painting on my hands yet and the seller doesn't have a better picture of it. I just emailed him asking him what is written.
     
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  8. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    It looks cut down, the top is cut off.
    And in my experience, when a religious looking figure is turned to one side, even if he is facing you, he could be part of a larger painting or the painting could be one side of a triptych.
     
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  9. SebV

    SebV Sebastian V

    Do you think it is religious? I am thinking that if these he is holding are rocks, it might be David from bible. Also I got someone who said that the balls placed close to the shaft of the weapon could be some kind of a phallic/ sexual symbol. Could this be true?
     
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  10. Lithographer

    Lithographer Well-Known Member

    You could check by loosening the clips and lifting the painting from the frame. If it is painted all the way to the edge, then it could be trimmed down from a larger painting.
     
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  11. Lithographer

    Lithographer Well-Known Member

    Maybe a subtle reference to puberty or manhood?
     
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  12. SebV

    SebV Sebastian V

    The label is from a conservation. Here they gave me a better picture. IMG_20211025_192004.jpg
     
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  13. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    It's a religious painting and, as above, does appear to be cropped from a larger work. (That's why the staff is cut off.) Unless signed -- which is something the seller would likely have disclosed -- unlikely you'll ever identify artist. And tell your friend that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. ;)

    Debora
     
  14. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    David used a sling, not a metal tool on a wooden pole.
    Probably the same person who tried to convince me that perfume bottles are phallic symbols.
     
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  15. SebV

    SebV Sebastian V

    I think you are right. Some people just see what they want to see on anything. A dirty mind will always find it's way. What is your opinion on what the figure is? An other idea of mine is that it might be an angel guard from the garden of Eden, hence the fruit and the spear (which I indeed checked and it is a medieval spear)
     
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  16. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    What kind of Medieval spear? The metal part looks concave or convex to me.
     
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  17. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    Perhaps it's a halberd.

    Debora

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  18. SebV

    SebV Sebastian V

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    Some type of polearm like these. There are many different types.
     
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  19. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    @Fid ....... any thoughts..?
     
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  20. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I am still seeing a concave or convex shape in the metal.
     
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