Who was this photographer?

Discussion in 'Ephemera and Photographs' started by smallaxe, May 6, 2020.

  1. Aquitaine

    Aquitaine Is What It IS! But NEVER BORED!

    NICE!!!!!:happy::happy:
     
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  2. bercrystal

    bercrystal Well-Known Member

    That was some hat she was wearing at 21!! :happy::happy::happy:
     
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  3. Alissa Clynne

    Alissa Clynne New Member

    Not sure if you are still interested in knowing more about this but Barnet Clynne is actually my great grandfather. I'd actually love to know where your info came from as I've been trying to do research on my family but I haven't been able to find much. My grandfather is the son who was born after Barnet passed away and while we know a lot about him little is known about his father and mother (Frieda and Barnet) and their families.
     
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  5. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    I wonder if the name Clynne isn't another family name that was crippled by an immigrant officer. could well be Klein originally, especially as the family came from a part of Europe that was known as Congress Poland and adjacent to the German Reich.
    when I see names like Bohne (Bean), but also the combination with a VERY typical Frieda, then it could even be that they were from the Germanspeaking border region of Poland.
     
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  6. smallaxe

    smallaxe Well-Known Member

    I'm glad you found our posts about your great grandfather. I just saw your reply, but it's too late in the evening to give a detailed reply. I'll try to add some info tomorrow about the sources I found.
     
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  7. Alissa Clynne

    Alissa Clynne New Member

    They came from the Polish-speaking part of Russia which is now part of Lithuania and was formerly the Polish-Lithuania commonwealth. The family story is that the name was purposefully changed at Ellis Island due to the fact that they were Jewish and at the time in Russia the first revolution was beginning and a massive wave of anti-semitism was taking hold resulting in an especially violent period of pogroms. The name was supposedly changed from a more obviously Jewish name although knowledge of Barnet's original name has since been lost. It is thought that Frieda's maiden name might be Schupper but I haven't been able to confirm that.
     
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  8. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    Schupper another German name.
    I don't know what you know about that corner of Europe, but the first heavy pogroms were starting around 1905 in Ukrania; later spreading to Russia and "Poland".
    the adjacent Prussia was astonishingly non-antisemitic and the first safehaven for Jews when Polish nationalists started to rebel against Russian rule.
    Russia even started to ban and send the German minorities to Siberia.
    a part of "Poland" was also Prussian. Prussia introduced several edicts for the liberation of the Jews declaring them equal to Prussian citizens in the vast majority of rights. might well be that a first name-change took place then - for a Polish name there are not enough useless consonants...
     
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  9. smallaxe

    smallaxe Well-Known Member

    I didn't save my research, and it's been awhile. I'm sure I pulled that from a combination of old newspaper searches and sources on the internet, I can't find the death notice that I'm sure I found in a newspaper. It may have been from one of the newspaper archives I'm not currently subscribed to. However, I found more today. One thing is that Barnet's middle name is Samuel. That is based on copyright registrations he made. I also found a person's tree on Ancestry that has more info I hadn't found before, and doing some searches based on that, I totally concur with that new info. I had wondered why I could find little on Barnet prior to around 1915. The reason is because all his earlier records are under the name Barnet Samuel Goldman. I'm sure that's correct because there are old directory records of him as a photographer at the same address in Atlantic City as we later find Barnet S. Clynne. With the name Goldman, we find his marriage record to Frieda L. Shupper in 1915 in New York. There is also Barnet's draft registration where he gives birth location as Tilsit Russia (Tilsit Russia today is in that disconnected bit of Baltic Russia, but that would have been Prussia when Barnet was there, so possibly he was from the bit of town on the other side of the Neman River in what is now Lithuania, and was the Russian Empire when Barnet was born). There is a 1910 census record in New York that could be him. Also in that record is the mother of that Barnet S. Goldman. Her name was Hinda. If that is the same Barnet, then a 1905 New York census record may also be him, and in that, besides Hinda is his father Henry Goldman. However, there are a few Barnet Goldman's in that area with similar ages, so I'm not sure of those.
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    I found the death notice I remembered. It was in a Photography periodical, and the name was spelled incorrectly.
    Clynne death.jpg
     
    Last edited: Oct 17, 2021
  10. Marie Forjan

    Marie Forjan Well-Known Member

    WOW, very interesting thread and great detective work :):):)
     
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  11. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    Tilsit was never Russian nor Lithuanian. between 1818 and 1920 it belonged to East Prussia.
     
  12. smallaxe

    smallaxe Well-Known Member

    I've made a correction to my post. In his draft registration, it does say Tilsit Russia.
     
  13. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    Tilsit never belonged to Russia.
     
  14. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

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    here you see it better. Tilsit was on the river Memel that was the frontier to Lithuania.
    it may well be that the army guys wouldn't have found it on a map
    or
    that the immigrant thought it better to declare himself Russian
    or
    that he was from one of the villages outside the city but north of the river (there were a few )
    or
    that the army guys were US-Germans and would have known the city of Tilsit but not the whole county of Tilsit that was full of Lithuanians that fled to Prussia because of the freedom that was missing in Lithuania which was under Russian rule from 1795 to 1918.
    nobody said it was easy.;)
     
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