I'd tea set makers mark.

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Id makers mark

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  1. Jo martin

    Jo martin New Member

    IMG_20210927_1916116~2.jpg Hello. Can anyone tell me the maker? It's on a tea / demise set. Looks like Josef Kuba but there is a C and an N? Ty in advance
     
  2. Jo martin

    Jo martin New Member

    IMG_20210927_1915268~5.jpg More photos
     
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  3. i need help

    i need help Moderator Moderator

    It’s looks like something is written beneath the CN, maybe that’s an importers mark?
     
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  4. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Looks like it says Germany down there, INH,
     
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  6. Jo martin

    Jo martin New Member

    Thank you. Yes, I thought the same thing but very difficult to make it out.
     
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  7. Jo martin

    Jo martin New Member

    Yes, thank you. Looks like the mark.
     
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  8. Jo martin

    Jo martin New Member

    Thank you!
     
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  9. i need help

    i need help Moderator Moderator

    It’s very pretty. :)
     
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  11. wiscbirddog

    wiscbirddog Well-Known Member

    Putting some light on your photos:

    1a.jpg 2a.jpg
     
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  13. Jo martin

    Jo martin New Member

    Thank you All so much for your quick and informative replies!! I sincerely appreciate all the help! Have a wonderful day!
     
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  14. Jo martin

    Jo martin New Member

    One last ??? Lol... any idea of the age of this set?
     
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  15. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    Since the label says Germany, and not West Germany or Western Germany, it would be either from before 1949 or after 1989. I can't tell whether it would be the earlier or later period.

    Also, I notice the sticker on yours is hard to see, although @wiscbirddog lightened the photos. That seems to be because there is some sort of mark either under it or stamped over it. That mark also looks like there is a crown at the top, and some words across the middle.
     
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  16. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    why does it show a Vienna Bindenschild along with Germany ?
    one of the many fakes or some importer like Samson ?
     
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  17. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    I don't know who made it and I can't make out what is says under your label though it appears to be a crown with some words.

    I did find this similar one with a C&N/N&C label though "West Germany" covering something that also looks like a crown with some words. I think this one might be a Heinrich mark like the fourth one from Rontgen's book. I rotated it and fiddled with the color. I think it has a crown H&C


    https://www.etsy.com/listing/586188868/nc-western-germany-love-story-hand?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=n&c+love+story&ref=sr_gallery-2-12&organic_search_click=1

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  18. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    nope. fairytale from some internet specialists that do not understand German and do not know anything about the "Made in Germany". there was never a legislation in German about the term Made in Germany.

    in Germany itself - and after the separation and foundation of the GDR in 1949 - BOTH states used the term. this didn't go well with the industry in the western part that was known under the unofficial name BRD - no legislation about the use of BRD either ! - and the BRD industry tried to forbid the use of "Made in Germany" by GDR companies.
    this was denied by the Federal Court in Karlsruhe because it would have meant that the existence of TWO German states was accepted by the BRD, which was seeing itself as representation of the WHOLE Germany. so the decision was simply "live with it" ...
    as there was no legal definition of "Made in Germany" in ANY legislation in BOTH states the Western - or BRD - industry - started to use "West" and "Western" to be different for customers .
     
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  19. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    addendum.
    as the legislation about the use of "Made in Germany" was never clear in German legislations, there were already some rare companies that wanted to stress their geographical status even before the Great War, especially along the Rhine that had better relations to France than the Eastern provinces (Silesia, Pomerania etc.). but that's another story which wasn't investigated properly till today.
     
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  20. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    Thank you for the explanation!
     
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