Featured Curved glass paintings on inside possibly 1885?

Hi, I'm looking for help identifying the artist behind these two antique painting I have where the painting is done on the inside of curved glass. My father opened one up as the backs are sealed and found a newspaper dating 1885

Any help would be much appreciated as these belonged to my father who recently passed away and I hadn't asked about them.

 

I agree. Reverse glass prints, to some degree, have been around since the early 18th century.

 

They're based on original paintings by Otto Erdmann and Cuno von Bodenhausen, both German. The Bodenhausen one is called something like ‘Voices from Fairyland’.

 

I bought one quite recently, seem to be called Crystoleums

https://www.antiquers.com/threads/type-of-painting-or-print-on-glass.60851/

 

.Sorry, I didn't see any comment @sabre123 when I deleted!!! I didn't see anything good in my attempt to enlarge!!! Here it is back, but NOT very good....Topaz is NOT good with print, I find!!​

 

I'm a bit surprised the newspaper is not brown or yellow. By 1885, I think the paper used for newspapers had mostly converted to high acid wood pulp vs. the acid free rag pulp that had been used earlier.

 

I'm sorry for your loss !

 

The original painting of the picture of the young woman by Cuno von Bodenhausen apparently dated from the early 1880s, according to a quick search online (so not verified).

I understand what @smallaxe is saying about the newspaper not having changed color. However, if it was enclosed in the frame when new it would not have been exposed to the air very much. If it was not touching any wood it could have remained less discolored than might be expected.

 

@Figtree3 - it's not just the lack of yellowing on the newspaper that has me wondering about its age. It's also the apparent printing error that occurs when there is a crinkle in the paper as it's printed. If the newspaper is original, then the fold/krinkle must exist in the paper. If it is a copy of a paper where the error is in the original, then the copy will show the printing error, but there will be no fold to explain it. To me, just going by the posted image, it looks like a modern copy of an old paper. But it's hard to tell for sure just from an image.

 

Okay, thanks! That makes sense.

 

Thanks

Yes I'll try open them up. You're probably right

 

Thanks I will have a look into this

 

Sorry wasn't very clear. Paper was put back inside after taking a photocopy

 

Sorry as I mentioned below, it was a photo copy of the newspaper which was put back inside

 

They're definitely from late 1800s as they have been handed down over the years. Whether they're originals or not though is yet to be clarified. If they did prints back then, then it could well be