Does this look like an authentic Qingbai vase?

Holy moley! I've never seen anything like this, thanks for posting it @sunday silence .

The middle section with all those appliques is fabulous.

I have nothing informative to say. I'm just going to sit back and watch this thread.

 

I also have nothing informative to say, but did find this similar item that was sold on eBay:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/3535951444...=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

Here is the opening paragraph of the Gotheborg site's "Glossary entry" about qingbai. Reading the description, it does not appear to me that your item has the characteristics listed there.

"Starting from the early Northern Song dynasty, the Xinping kilns in the Jiangxi province achieved success in producing a very fine white-bodied porcelain ware covered with an illuminous glaze of icy blue tinge, earning the name qingbai, 'blue white'."

Maybe your item is just not a great example.

 

Agreed. Wow. Should be called a vase and half.. most interesting.Waiting to learn more...

 

I didn't notice that blue tint the first time I looked at the pictures. But since you've posted that description, I looked again and sure can see the icy blue tint in the pictures where the light hits it just right. It shows up a lot better in some of the pictures than others, mostly on the left hand side.

So the blue tint definitely is there.

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/3835880702...l0kneqt9pmq5idbEw8JJ|ampid:PL_CLK|clp:2047675

 

What's all this about ?



Looks like it's leaving a mark when being moved about

Suspicious, wouldnt expect to see this from an item that's been around for that long

 

The base looks as clean as a whistle

The Orange (stoneware) looks painted on, looks more like plaster

 

Material underneath


Colour that's been added for stoneware effect, clogged

 

Hmmm... Since you've pointed that out and I look at it more closely, I'm seeing it in exactly the opposite way, LOL!

It looks like the orange clay is natural and the setting ring is painted white over the orange clay. Since white is rubbing off on the black surface, I'd guess it probably is white paint over orange clay. Why someone would put chalky white paint on the setting ring I have no idea.

Sunday will have to tell us which way it really is. I get optical illusions pretty often from digital photographs. Especially telling if something is concave or convex.

 

Absolutely Laura, I do think the Orange looks suspiciously applied though, and you have to think, for what reason, when you look at the base in 1st pic, I swear I can see white underneath the Orange

 

Something I forgot to mention from the glossary entry. Did any one notice that the glossary says qingbai is white body porcelain (which this thing is not, particularly with the "orange" clay which has nothing to do with porcelain.) It may be that whoever made it added the blue-white glaze to an earthen ware piece to make it look like qingbai. It's something to pursue through further research,

 

Interesting, the more I look at it the more unsure I am what it is

Hard to tell from photos sometimes

But something looks not quite cricket

 

Oh bingo! @Bakersgma ! I love it when boardies look at all the details, pick things apart. You and Charlie are on to something.

@sunday silence , would you take a soft bristle brush and rub at that white and orange stuff on the bottom to see what's underneath? Take a toothpick or something similar and see if that orange stuff pops out of the loops. Report back with a picture and description of what you find?

 

The eBay (4 grand ones) are stated as stoneware

stated as

Song Dynasty, A Pair of Song Vases with Dragon and Gods Decoration


A pair of Chinese stoneware olive green vases decorated with gods around the vase and the flying dragon on top of each vase. Each lid decorated with birds on the top

And look right, this not so much

 

Chalk and cheese

 

The piece is set for an estate auction and the auctioneer has no desire to return and take a closer look. there are too many questions on this, so it is an easy pass for me. Thanks for everyone's help this is more like a free lesson than anything.

One thing, I dont get is why the expensive piece on ebay has no craquelure and the inexpensive version on ebay has lots of craquelure?