Unusual Clubs - African or Oceanic?

Hi All,

Would love some help with these clubs if anyone has any ideas. I've spent hours searching but haven't come up with much at all.. They were bought at a general auction with no info attached to them other than "tribal clubs".

The pattern on the first looks similar to objects i've seen attributed to the Chokwe but i've never seen a club like this one.

The second has the shape of a Fijian "gunstock" club but again I haven't seen any like this.

Thanks a lot!

Calum

 

Chokwe club
Chokwe (Tshokwe) Wood Club – Oriental Arms (oriental-arms.com)

 

Thanks Tahmoor girl, that does look very similar and I think you must be right.

 

I would think pacific islands & oceanic.

 

That was my first thought. The first looks a bit like a Tongan club, the carving at least:

https://nicholaswells.com/shop/work...-exceptional-native-tongan-ironwood-war-club/

And the second does have the shape of a Fijian club

 

It doesn't look like a fighting club it looks like a walking aid/staff.

 

both are unknown to me...........but I like Boland's thoughts...

 

The holes are for the users fingers. No one would make so much carving on a weapon.

 

An instant expert.

 

I'm not a expert....but I don't think that they are African....

 

Carving on a weapon? Never heard of it.
One of my keris hilts:

 

My post above was not aimed at you, Alesia. I'm sorry you thought it was.

 

Thanks again all. They're both around 60cm long so I think short for walking sticks.

Bit of a mystery then!

 

The shapes are not right for walking sticks either. They look like clubs to me, as you said.

 

Neither of them are something I have seen before, and after perusing over 1500 images of clubs from Africa and the Pacific in the collection of the American Museum of Natural History, I have not found any similar enough to be useful in identification.
https://anthro.amnh.org/north

 

Thanks so much for searching! That looks like a great resource and ill use it in future. I posted on Vickingsword as well but no one is that sure there either

 

Vikingsword is a good site (I am a 'lurking' member there), maybe someone will come along later, either here or there. Sometimes mysteries are solved years later.