Featured Real of Fake Porceleyne Fles Plate by Knotter?

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by PatrickW, Aug 2, 2021.

  1. PatrickW

    PatrickW New Member

    I have added this plate to my porceleyne fles collection but I have doubts if it is indeed made by the porceleyne fles under the ownership of Johannes Knotter (1698-1701).

    The signature looks close but not exactly like other pieces I have found online. The design on the front looks like these plates but in different colours: https://www.lelandlittle.com/items/...lft-polychrome-plates-i-de-porseleine-fles-i/

    Many thanks for sharing your thoughts,
    Patrick

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    PatrickW, Aug 2, 2021
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  2. PatrickW

    PatrickW New Member

    I had an expert on Dutch Delftware to look at this plate and he regrettably informed me that it is an imitation and most likely made in the 1900s in northern France.
     
    PatrickW, Aug 5, 2021
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  3. judy

    judy Well-Known Member

    Thank you for letting us know Patrick!:cat:
     
    judy, Aug 5, 2021
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  4. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    I've got a real 1700s one if I can find the photo. Yours is way too considered, if that makes sense.
     
    Ownedbybear, Aug 5, 2021
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  5. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Got it.

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    Ownedbybear, Aug 5, 2021
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  6. PatrickW

    PatrickW New Member

    Thanks for sharing, mine does look a lot newer indeed! Hence I had doubts myself but it's good to know it's an imitation unfortunately. Do you know who the marks on yours belong to?
     
    PatrickW, Aug 5, 2021
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  7. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    I do. De drie Klokken, circa 1760. I've had it years, it was in a boxed lot.
     
    Ownedbybear, Aug 5, 2021
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  8. PatrickW

    PatrickW New Member

    That's a good find! I will continue my search :)
     
    PatrickW, Aug 6, 2021
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  9. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    It's not my mainstrteam collecting, whatever that is. I love it for its sheer age and honesty.
     
    Ownedbybear, Aug 6, 2021
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