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Discussion in 'Tribal Art' started by Lucille.b, Oct 28, 2018.

  1. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Just thought, I have posted the above view of the manju several times, mainly to show what Schreger lines look like. It doesn't seem fair to hide the front, so here it is, Benzaiten or Benten, Goddess of wisdom and music:

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    It is no longer mine btw.
     
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  2. Lecollectionneur

    Lecollectionneur Well-Known Member

    I've found old pictures from ivory degradation with age and bad conservation, to show you the look have the growing lines in ivory.

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  3. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    He looks happy to be back on his feet. Very nice piece.
     
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  4. Lecollectionneur

    Lecollectionneur Well-Known Member

    It's a small(2") ivoire de Dieppe depicting Rousseau in the more used manner as you can found it on googlewith the papers and a walking stick.
     
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  5. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I thought it would be Dieppe made, the Dieppe and Dutch carvers were the best European ivory carvers. And of course Rousseau, I recognize him now.
    2", that would be ca 5 cm, very dainty, nice.
     
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  6. Lecollectionneur

    Lecollectionneur Well-Known Member

    Out of subject, but I have an orchester of 12 musicians(gueux in french translated in hoboes?) in ivory from Maastrich at the end of the 19th century.
     
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  7. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I'd love to see it.
    Hobo is a specific American term, the more general translation of gueux is beggars.

    As an aside, the word gueux has special significance for Dutch people.
    In the 16th century, when noblemen from the Low Countries appealed for more leniency in the taxes imposed by the Spanish king, a courtier said to the king's representative "ce ne sont que des gueux", they are only beggars. A short while later the leaders of the noblemen were cordially invited to the court and executed, an incident the Lowlanders regarded as treacherous. It was the start of our war of independence which led to the Dutch Golden Age. The word gueux was converted to an honorary Dutch word for the fiercest independence fighters, geuzen.
     
  8. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    AJ , u R a fountain of knowledge !!! :happy::happy:

    Sidebar...( our PM just apologized to one of our 1st Nations tribes for an incident from 150 years ago, where 5 Chiefs were invited to meet with the Gov't of the day, whereupon they were arrested, tried....& hung to death.)
    :(
     
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  9. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Better late than never, but you have a good PM now, with a conscience.
     
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  10. Slykitty65

    Slykitty65 Active Member

    I did see the photo of that one
    I did see the photo posted of the similar one to that, but I had also read about how they have been making ones of ivory dust and gluing together other animal bone to recreate vintage (fake) looking ones. This article gives information on how to ID the Ivory from resin and other bones. They tell about the Black Light Test, which my curiosity led me to test it out on 3 little Budah's I picked up which I assume were resin and owner wasn't sure. They look smooth like resin, but had lines on the bottoms base but not crosshatched as in the Schreger Angle lines looking more like the website's photo of the resin cast bottom. These are my little Budah's under Black Light... Florecence is blue/white/tan which I assume is resin. Strange, I could see a number mark on the bottom of one under the black light that I could not see in normal light. IMG-5392.jpg IMG-5394.JPG They have some great photo's for ID at the bottom of the article after Further Readings notes. This is the link from Real or Repo:
    https://www.realorrepro.com/article/Ivory-genuine-fake--confusing
     
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  11. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Yes, they use any trick they can think of. That link you posted is great, it is one of the links I use. They have pages on other materials as well, and on marks, etc.
     
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  12. Lecollectionneur

    Lecollectionneur Well-Known Member

    I give you an info about forgeries, to modify the results with UV light, some very inventive use a spray of incolor cover as used to protect photographies or paper works of art, it modify the perception of the colours though the current process, they are different ways I use to be certain it's not made, with your nail the pressure gives a different sensation, like "sticking" when paint, and with a drop of water when possible, there is really a great difference (higher on ivory than bone etc…) of surface tension between organic material and a paint applied you can test by comparing quietly at home.
     
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