Russian (?) Silver Beaker (Ca. 1882).

This was part of a box-lot of silver bits and pieces. I recognised what I thought was a Russian silver mark, so I took a risk and bought the lot. Please tell me I'm right!!

Fortunately the lot did come with other silver (which I will post later in other threads), but right now, this is the mystery piece!!

Please help me with the marks! I think I'm right, but I'm not entirely sure.

There's two marks on the beaker itself (top, below the rim...)


And two more marks under the pedestal base (see below).


Rim marks:

 

the 84 seems to be Russian.....
looks like an unremarkable kiddush cup...

 

If it is a Kiddush cup, then it's EXTREMELY small!! It'd struggle to be two inches tall.

 

It's a russian small silver "stirrup"cup, made between 1885-1908, this seems to be an angel, then Kiev but difficult to be certain, and for the silversmith it's really difficult to find, they were made in small workshops by thausends for export and turism.

 

Yes, an angel. Compared it to other Kiev marks. Definitely angel.

 

This is the usual name, russian small trinking vessels are mostly "beakers" from the traditional straigth form made originally in wood.

 

The maker's mark looks like the mark for Israel Eseevich Zakhoder, who worked in several cities. His Kiev period dates from 1892-1907.
And I agree, it is the Kiev mark of the period, 84 zolotniki, .875 fineness.

 

I start getting my doubts rise when I see the plethora of Russian kiddush cups being offered on all kinds of platforms. most with these rather primitive sketches of houses without character. did they have a non-ending party in the Shtettls ?

 

& that's why it's always nice to let us know what size things are..........
even if you are only asking about the hallmarks.

I apologize for my wayward assumption ......but I still find it to be well below the quality of items you usually post here.

 

Sorry about that, I guess. Should I keep the more inferior stuff off the forum then and seek information on it elsewhere?

 

Oh my goodness! I don't think anyone is suggesting that at all! Bring it on if you have questions about something you find or just want to show off something that pleases you! Even seeing something humble is a wonderful learning experience!

 

Have always been told these small stemmed vodka glasses are called 'rjumki' (singular 'rjumka')...

~Cheryl

 

This is the right genetic word used for those small cups in russian, but not especially in silver, just the design, in silver called precisely stirrup cup(but it's not the russian name, it's our appellation).

@Shangas, for me the quality of the engraving is not the question, and it seems to be on the forum xx/1000 with such discussions, the important question is about what's and from where, the intellectual discussion can be made with a broken piece too, for me it's not important.

 

Keep it coming Shangas!
It is just that we are used to fabulous things from you. Every item deserves identification, so no 'quality' pressure.

 

you said it's from a box lot , so I get that it's not something you actively sought out on it's own........

 

The cup came along with a number of silver plates and other bits and pieces. Including a broken silver-mounted perfume bottle, shot glasses, etc etc. Cheap tourist-silverware...

I removed the silver from the broken shotglasses and the perfume bottle, and some of the cheap tourist-pieces etc...I'll save it up and have it melted and get the money for it. There's no way I can do anything else with them.