help identifying a mark on a Worcester bowl

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  1. Kate Stobo

    Kate Stobo New Member

    received_170337021517066.jpeg received_802616250377424.jpeg received_473112110741439.jpeg IMG_20210206_152658.jpg IMG_20210206_152717.jpg Hi,

    I was wondering if anyone could help with identifying the mark on my Worcester bowl . The pattern is the common fisherman and cormorant but the mark is strange and the pattern doesn't seem to follow the usual pattern. There are some interesting differences. I am assuming it early Worcester but any help would be appreciated. Thanks
     
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  2. John Brassey

    John Brassey Well-Known Member

    It is a pseudo Chinese Worcester number Mark. If you look closely you will see a 2 in there. Similar in attached with a hidden 4
     

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  3. JB Miller

    JB Miller Well-Known Member

  4. Kate Stobo

    Kate Stobo New Member

    Thanks you for this. That is really interesting. I was sure it was Worcester!
     
  5. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    I do love early Worcester.
     
  6. John Brassey

    John Brassey Well-Known Member

    I found this about the differences between Worcester and Caughley's versions of The Fisherman pattern on York Museum website
    Tea bowl and saucer with transfer printing decoration in underglaze blue. The pattern is known as 'fisherman' or 'fisherman and cormorant'. Originally, at the Worcester factory, this pattern was known as the 'pleasure boat'. Both the Caughley and the Worcester factories used this pattern, which was one of the most common in late eighteenth century English porcelain. It is believed that the difference between the two factories can be seen in the fish held by the man on the boat. While the Worcester's fish is thin the Caughley one is shorter and fat. If so, this tea bowl and saucer can be attributed to the Worcester factory.
    Production date start
    1775
    Production date end
    1780
     
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  7. popsycat

    popsycat Well-Known Member

    Ditto.
     
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  8. JB Miller

    JB Miller Well-Known Member

    I thought it interesting that in 1866 Richard Binns stated he'd never found these marks on Worcester items. I wonder how Chaffers concluded these were made by Caughley?

    The pattern on the bowl shown on the York site is different than what OP has. Could OP's be Caughley?
     
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  9. John Brassey

    John Brassey Well-Known Member

    The description explains the differences between the two so it could very well be Caughley If Kate’s fish is thin it’s Worcester but if it is shorter and fat it’s Caughley.
     
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  10. Kate Stobo

    Kate Stobo New Member

    So I am not sure whether the fish is fat or thin. What do you think?
     
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  11. John Brassey

    John Brassey Well-Known Member

  12. Kate Stobo

    Kate Stobo New Member

    Looking at this, I think my bowl is Worcester!!!
     
  13. John Brassey

    John Brassey Well-Known Member

    I tend to agree. Yours ticks all the boxes in that description
     
  14. MT Vessel

    MT Vessel Well-Known Member

    The pseudo Chinese marks were originally, but erroneously, attributed to Caughley. They are now known to be Worcester. Good to see that you posted your piece here!
     
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