Souvenir spoon...

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  1. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member

    Souvenir spoon, probably Tlingit, but what's the critter? An otter?

    ~Cheryl

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  2. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    I'd say bear....& I'd say the artist could use a lesson or two !:hilarious:
     
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  3. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member

    Ahhh, thought bear might be a possibility (actually have several different bear spoons) - whatever he is, he looks cheerful and makes me smile...

    ~Cheryl
     
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  4. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Otter, I think. NA carvings of them show them on their backs, sometimes with a pup or shell.
     
  5. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    Happy little critter. I'd be thinking otter too based on the position of the animal.
     
  6. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    For some unknowable reason, it made me think of the Rockman, from The Point.
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  7. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Another vote for otter. The crescent shape on it's tummy could be a shell, which is probably why it looks so happy.:)
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    Now the others want a shell too:
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    About the quality of carving, I was told by a Haida carver that when they learned to carve, they would start on silver, because it was easiest to carve and a good way to learn which shapes and symbols go with which animal, etc. Later they would be allowed to carve wood.
     
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  8. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    Possum with babies?
     
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  9. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    I wood take that statement with a grain of salt.......
    Native metal carving tools were harder to come by than wood carving tools.....
    & require a different skill set.
     
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  10. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    Too bright and reflections to see how it was "carved",but it looks chased and would only require a modified nail/screw driver and a hammer.Wood is easier to carve and more forgiving with errors than metal.
     
  11. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    & cheaper.....and easier to come by !!
     
  12. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Q&D photo of Zuni otter in antler.

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  13. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

  14. all_fakes

    all_fakes Well-Known Member

    :angelic:

    I'd expand the thought, mentioning that the idea that poor-quality carving may indicate a beginning carver is kind of a myth....not saying that this is poor-quality, but it is not great either.
    Most often, the quality of carving reflects the kind of market that an item was made for. Lesser quality items were made rapidly, for sale at a cheap price; or by carvers who were not in touch with traditional usages.
    Better carvers would take the time to make items that correctly reflect traditional cultural usages.

    for example, a little better:

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    or

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  15. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    The above spoons appear to be engraved and not "carved".
     
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  16. all_fakes

    all_fakes Well-Known Member

    Yes, sort of; I was thinking of the artists in general, many of whom carve in wood and also make silver items. Northwest Coast Native work in silver uses a number of techniques, including engraving, repousse, carving, where areas are actually removed with shallow knife-cuts, and something more akin to scratching than actual engraving.
     
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  17. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member

    It's engraved rather than chased, with a little repousse nose. A fairly small piece at about 4½" long, it has a curved stem and an upturned bowl, so believe it was most likely intended as a mayonnaise or sauce ladle. He's really quite charming and pretty much of the quality I'd expect from an inexpensive, locally-made souvenir item...

    ~Cheryl
     
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  18. all_fakes

    all_fakes Well-Known Member

    I do like the nose.
     
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  19. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member

    I thought perhaps otter because of his expression, the long body and short paws, and also thought it might be a shell on his belly, with perhaps the slender stem as his tail - but really have no problem with him being a bear either.

    Finally dug out some old clips from my files on Tlingit silversmith Rudolph Walton, the first from an 1895 Presbyterian missionary publication, mentioning how his spoons were made, and the second from a 1905 article on Alaska, mentioning his new store. The link is to a Rudolph Walton spoon with double bear heads at the Sheldon Jackson Museum in Sitka...

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    http://cdm1.library.uaf.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/cdmg31/id/1/rec/2

    Don't really collect NA silver, but do like it and have a few pieces, so glad to add this spoon - the one below is a large heavy Navajo teaspoon with a wonderful owl at the top and a Yei spirit in the bowl, all of the design was stamped, even the fine feather details (sorry, crummy old pic):

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    ~Cheryl
     
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  20. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    Otter it is....it's easiest to explain .
     
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