Featured Any thoughts of age and origin on this punch bowl?

Bought a lot on Wednesday mainly because this was stuck at the back.

Rim diameter 13.8 inches!

Height including fixed base 8.8"

Weight 4.84kg

Crackle glaze, gold circular decoration with bunches of grapes and raised blue dots.

Cannot see underside of pot due to fixed base

My guess would be late 19thC Japanese Satsuma, but as always, I expect to be corrected

 

It's really nice...but doesn't the crackle look forced......like a design almost ??

 

The crackle is deliberate; that's not age or mileage. There's no wear on the gold either, and it's not likely someone would glue real 19th century porcelain into a 50s/60s metal base.

 

Base is not metal but point taken.

Plenty of wear and underglaze staining.

Agree crackle deliberate but that does not indicate it is modern.

 

I think the staining shows age to it, nice looking piece

 

Crazing dead giveaway for recent Chinese decorative import.

Debora

 

I agree with Debora. The metal base is a nice touch and a new variation to me.
Don

 

gold painted wood.....or other......but not metal...

 

If I may suggest... Do an Google image search for gilt-mounted Satsuma bowls. It will give you a good point of comparison.

Debora

 

It could very well be new. I admit the all over black in the crazing makes me think twice, but as Rhiwfield said, 'not all deliberate crazing means modern'. The staining looks pretty good for having age to it but I don't think the base is original to the bowl.

 

Just picking up on this.

I do not think this is recent manufacture. It has wear commensurate with age, patchy residual glaze, rim abrasion, a coloured rim chip, worn decoration, underglaze staining. It feels right for being old, if not 19thC then early 20th.

I know that the chinese make some a large number of fakes, and I spot them in auction rooms regularly. I don't think this is such a piece but admit to the possibility of being wrong

The stand is pottery, not gilt metal and not original to piece or of a similar quality. It also looks later. Why someone would choose to fix the stand to the bowl is beyond me, unless the owners parties were very lively! I cannot see what the Chinese would gain from this. Sure it hides any makers marks but the bowl is good quality and forged makers marks would be similarly good?

All said, I'll stick with original thoughts as likely age and origin, noting that some will disagree!!

 

I will just repeat my suggestion that you do a quick Google image search to see if you can find an antique Satsuma bowl anything remotely like it. Take a close look at the antique Satsuma bowls you do find on reputable sales/auction sites and compare shape, decoration, mounts, and surface wear.

Debora

 

Debora,

You have raised sufficient doubts in my mind.

I cant find a chinese match to this bowl but neither can I find a japanese match and, of the two, chinese looks more likely.

If this has been artificially aged they have done a super job.

At what point did China start making Satsuma style pieces?

Steve

 

Hi,
I would be sooooo tempted to soak off the bottom and see what is hidden.
greg

 

Please don't tempt me!