Interesting German/Dutch piece, not even sure whether it is sterling?

Discussion in 'Silver' started by Asian Fever, Mar 28, 2018.

  1. Asian Fever

    Asian Fever Well-Known Member

    I just got it today, it weight a littlbe bit over 6.4 OZ, 8 and 1/16 " in diameter, 3 inch in height (without handle).
    The yellow spot in the back is remaining old glue which can be removed.

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  2. Asian Fever

    Asian Fever Well-Known Member

    There are also two markings in the back, I think they are just processing trace


    this one looks like some small words, photos are not very clear
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    Another one is here.
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  3. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

  4. Shangas

    Shangas Underage Antiques Collector and Historian

    Dutch silver, 1800s. The Lion Passant in lozenge with '2' indicates Dutch silver.

    I believe Lion Passant + 1 = 830 or 900-ish silver. Lion + 2 = Continental silver (800 grade).

    So no, it's not Sterling. It'd be about 800-830 I'd reckon.

    But it is definitely Dutch silver. I've had a few of those pieces and recognise the marks.
     
  5. Asian Fever

    Asian Fever Well-Known Member

    @say_it_slowly @Shangas Thank you for your information and help.
    Can you please tell me what is the approximate year it was made? Thanks.
     
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  6. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Read the notes on the right hand side of the page in the link above. The "key" indicates that the piece lacks a guarantee, thus likely made for export. It also gives a rather wide range of dates during which this was done.
     
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  7. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    The spiral fluting of the sides was a popular design theme in the late 19th C. I'd say it is from about 1880-1890 give or take a decade.
     
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  8. Asian Fever

    Asian Fever Well-Known Member

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  9. Shangas

    Shangas Underage Antiques Collector and Historian

    If it's like other pieces of Dutch silver that I've seen, then there should be a date-letter, and an assay mark (indicating town of assay) somewhere else on the silverware. That said, Dutch marks are bloody MICROSCOPIC, so you will have to search every single square milimeter to find them.
     
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  10. Asian Fever

    Asian Fever Well-Known Member

    Thank you for your information. I think I found that mark, it's right on the handle, not too hard to find. But it cannot be recognized. I used magnifier to take that photo, hope it works.

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  11. Shangas

    Shangas Underage Antiques Collector and Historian

    If I remember my Dutch marks, it'll be a head in profile, followed by a letter. The letter indicates the town of assay.
     
  12. Asian Fever

    Asian Fever Well-Known Member

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    This one looks like an F with some patterns under it.
     
  13. Shangas

    Shangas Underage Antiques Collector and Historian

    From a Dutch silver website - Assay letters:

    Regional Assay Office identification letters

    A - Amsterdam closed 1988
    B - Utrecht closed 1986
    C - The Hague ('s-Gravenhage) closed 1988
    D - Rotterdam closed 1988
    E - Groningen closed 1927
    F - Leeuwarden closed 1984
    G - Zwolle closed 1878
    H - Arnhem closed 1970
    I - Breda closed 1875
    J - Joure opened 2002
    K - Den Bosch ('s-Hertogenbosch) closed 1986
    L - Middelburg closed 1889
    M - Schoonhoven closed 1987
    N - Maastricht, the letter M used 01-03-1842/11-01-1844, assay office closed in 1927
    0 - Roermond closed 1868
    P - Alkmaar closed 1924
    Q - Roosendaal closed 1927
    R - Gouda opened 1988
     
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  14. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    The lion passant in a shield cartouche with 1 is for 934 silver, in a hexagonal cartouche with 2 is for 833 silver. The mark is for the period 1814-1953.
    Though 800 silver was imported, it wasn't legal silver in those days.
    So this is 833 fineness. As af said, late 19th century style.
    I'll see if I can find the mystery mark. The F could be for Leeuwarden, the capital of Friesland, but this doesn't look like the Leeuwarden F, and it is in the wrong mark. Could be a maker's mark.
     
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  15. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member

    Keep looking for marks, they might even be hidden in the design, there should be a maker's mark and a circular date letter. You have found, as already suggested, an 1814-1953 .833 lion-passant quality mark with the export key, and the Minerva-head duty mark with what appears to be a Leeuwarden office 'F'...

    ~Cheryl
     
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