Featured Help with Japanese? Porcelain? "Satsuma?" Plates and Cups

I've been trying to find a match for the marks on the bottom of these pieces that a friend received from her grandmother. Her grandmother told her that she had bought them in 1929 (when she was 16) on a trip to "China" with her mother. She called them "Satsuma." But as we know, true Satsuma wares are from Japan and, with the image of Mount Fuji in the background on the plates and the kimonos on the women (plus their hair styles and umbrellas,) the decoration seems to support that the pieces are from Japan. I have searched Gotheborg twice and cannot find a match for the full collection of characters, although somewhere in that process I did see that a character very similar to the one in the lower left corner - but I couldn't tell just what it meant. There is no Shimazu mon on these.

Additional searching on the family tree I had done for my friend revealed that when the grandmother and her mother returned to the US (from a round the world trip that started in the fall of 1929) the ship they were on had departed from Yokohama. That made me wonder whether these might be "Yokohama Satsuma," which is mentioned in the "notes" at the beginning of the Satsuma section on Gotheborg. Should I be looking in another section for examples and, if so, which one?

I've included pictures of the marks on the bottom of 2 different pieces, 1 each of a whole plate and a cup, plus 1 of a closeup of the ladies on a plate. If you have any thoughts at all about where else to look, I would appreciate hearing them. The set is really lovely, quite delicate and is still living in the old fitted box in which her grandmother brought it home.












(I don't understand why the uploader rotated them (except for the cup.) That's not the way they are in my Pictures Library. Grrrr. I will try that again for the sake of your collective necks.)

 

those are rather nice....

 

They certainly are, Komo. When she opened the box to show them off, I was amazed.

Trying another upload. Oh, ka ka! I saved newly editted copies from the originals she emailed and the uploader still wants them on their sides. I can't seem to fix this. Sorry, everyone!

 

Better?

 

How did you do that, Bronwen??? Thank you so much.

(while you're at it, could you rotate one of the marks pics 90 degrees to the left so the 3 straight lines are on the upper right? )

 

BTW, now that I've had a chance to inspect the images more closely, the image of the 2 women on the center of the plate appears to be identical to the one of them on the cup - as if the image was a transfer of some kind that was over painted with the colors and gold. Is that consistent with the way such wares would have been made?

 

they are beautiful

 

Thank you, Anund! I tried again and still could not get the uploader to post them with the correct orientation.

 

I know this kind of thing can be difficult to get exact info and that I should be patient for the arrival of one of the folks who are familiar with the style or marking. But am bumping this up in hopes of attracting their attention.

 

my nephew says he will get back to me today but he hasn't

 

cut him out of the will !!

 

Thank you, Phaik, for getting your nephew on the case!

 

sorry he could translate the japanese. not helpful
川="river" (kawa), but 川票 could not translate into anything sensible. google says "river vote" it must be the name because kawasaki=川崎, note different second word.
栖造, the last word is "made" so i am thinking either village/area made or company made or period made.
hopefully you can find a japanese friend or japanese porcelain site to help with identification

 

I do appreciate your nephew's effort on this, @Phaik Hooi . I will let my friend know that we sure tried!

Has anyone here posted an item on Gotheborg?

 

Those are GORGEOUS!!!!!!!!!

 

I think this might be Kutani in the Satsuma style. Although the square mark with gold is a Satsuma style mark. Rather confusing isn't it.



When I was looking on Gotheborg.
I saw this under Tsukuru


685. Dai Nippon Kutani Tsukuru - "Made in Japan by Kutani". It is generally accepted that marks that includes "Dai Nippon" in Japanese characters on the whole date to the Meiji (1868-1912) period, reflecting the greatly increased nationalism of that period. Probably c. 1900

 

Thanks, Pat! I had seen that, but without a match to the other characters, all it told me was that the marking was Japanese and not Chinese. Going to look at the Kutani section now.

 

With Bakersgma's permission, I posted her questions elsewhere ... and this is the cliff notes version of the answer I rec'd :

"the mark reads 小栗栖造 Ogurusu-zō (made), made by Ogurusu.

This is a Satsuma yaki ware. The date is late Meiji period, suggests ca. 1900."

 

The great thing about Antiquers is, if no one here knows something, they know how to find someone who does!

Many thanks, Quirky!!