Featured Satsuma with no markings. Legit?

What do you guys think?

 

I think u have 2 different items there.....

 

I know.

 

Legit "what?" Not sure what your question is.

 

These are said to be Satsuma, but without markings (and even with markings) it can be sometimes difficult to tell if it is genuine Satsuma or a copycat fake.

 

They are certainly Satsuma in style. The question is how old.
I think the jardiniere is newer as in 1950s or later.

The sensor I can't see well as it is blurry. That might be older, but I can't really tell.

 

when it arrives i will get a better picture for you. hopefully you can see something.

Thanks

 

John - Backing up a little, do you know that "Satsuma" is a pottery-making region in Japan and not the name of a pottery? And as in other regions, there are well-known potters and not-so-well-known potters. In addition, there are ceramics decorated "in Satsuma style" made in other regions. And finally, there are ceramics still made in the Satsuma region. Does that automatically make those wares "copycat fakes?" No.

But if the seller whose wares you are looking at makes other claims about age or maker that are not supported by marks and provenance, then you are right to be wary. That censer is a case in point. This is an ancient "style" and shape, but it is impossible to tell from one picture alone whether it is very aged or made more recently. Know who you are dealing with and their reputation for honesty and accuracy.

 

Bakersgma

Yes I know it's like Champagne must come from Champagne in France, or else it's just sparkling wine.

One scenario is if it is labeled "Satsuma" and not "Satsuma style", as is the case with both of these pieces, then it would be perceived to be pottery from the Satsuma region.

If they are in fact just "Satsuma style", then they wouldn't be legitimate Satsuma.

Just like someone labelling a bottle Champagne when it's just sparkling wine.

 

The first one is Chinese, Satsuma style, and modern. The other one is Japanese, Kyoto Satsuma in my opinion, around 1900. Much better than the fish bowl.

 

So "satsuma style". Thanks for the info. Actually, I kind of like the Chinese made one better actually.

 

I'm here learning too, and have a question.....on the first item...the jardiniere.....is it common to see so much "repetitive over painting" on many of the lines???? TO ME, it tends to make it look somewhat 'unprofessional', but that's just to ME, and don't really know anything about it!! Thanks for educating me!!!