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Discussion in 'Art' started by jfrankl, Aug 29, 2017.

  1. jfrankl

    jfrankl New Member

    I came across 2 older paintings. It's hard to date them, but probably from the early 20th century. They are both ~5x8 in. Unfortunately, I don't know much more about them. Is anyone here able to identify who may have painted them and whether they are reproductions of some better known works?
     

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  2. KingofThings

    KingofThings 'Illiteracy is a terrible thing to waist' - MHH

    Welcome!
    Please go back to edit and use the full image button for all your photos up to 10 per post. :)

    Thank you.
     
  3. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

  4. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

  5. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    It is sad how fake art conquers the world. Both "Rembrandt" portraits are fake. Neither have Rembrandt's quality, to put it nicely.
    You can order the wikigallery one, as it says. But I do like the way jfrankl's portrait has both 'made in holland' and 'n. Rembrandt', n. for not?

    Rembrandt painted several women in this kind of dress, the regular dress for well to do Dutch Protestant ladies of the time, this is one of them:
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    The faces on both fakes remind me a bit of the portrait of Elisabeth Bas by Ferdinand Bol:
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  6. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    I think the little "n" in front of Rembrandt stands for naar which as I recall from ceramic paintings means "from a painting by" "copy of" "from" or something along those meanings.
     
  7. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Could be. Yes 'naar Rembrandt' means after Rembrandt or in the manner of Rembrandt. It is an honest amateur painting, and someone enjoyed painting it over a weekend.
     
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  8. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Come to think of it, the 'made in Holland' painting could be what we call a BKR painting.
    From 1956-1987 Dutch artists could apply for a grant through the 'Beeldende Kunstenaars Regeling', short BKR.
    In return they had to hand in work regularly, in some municipalities they had to hand something in every week. Needless to say, it led to some artists just putting something together hastily, after all, it is impossible to produce a masterpiece in a week, every week. And their wouldn't be any time left to do commissioned work or to put together a collection for exhibitions.
    The sense of humour (made in Holland) of this painter could point to BKR art. As if the painter said, if you want a painting a week, you only get souvenir 'art'.
     
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  9. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    I like the guy in red. What does the inscription say? I would guess that's original. Probably Pierrot (as Deborah said) but not the traditional costume.

    The other looks to be a simple souvenir.
     
  10. yourturntoloveit

    yourturntoloveit Well-Known Member

    I join Moreotherstuff in wondering "[w]hat does the inscription say?" on the "guy in red." ;)
     
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  11. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

  12. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Inscription - (something) Felicitations to Miss Sybil Palliser on her Marriage Tues Nov (xx) 1929."
     
  13. yourturntoloveit

    yourturntoloveit Well-Known Member

    Bakersgma, "thank you" times three!!! ;)
     
  14. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    1908.

    http://www.palliser.co.uk/sybil.htm

    Debora
     
  15. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    The last number is definitely a 9, although you could certainly be correct on the 0 instead of a 2.

    Perhaps this is also come kind of repro and the painter made a mistake?
     
  16. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Or a second marriage? After all, her husband died in 1916.
     
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  17. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Could be. But would it make sense to call her "Miss" and her maiden name?
     
  18. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Good point, it probably wouldn't.
    It could be a mistake on the site. I've seen a lot of mistakes on genealogy sites while researching my family.
    By the way, the source for the webpage was the 'Cyclopaedic Dictionary of Music' of 1925, so before 1929.
     
  19. jfrankl

    jfrankl New Member

    It indeed seems to be dated a year late. The signature looks closer to this Herbert Sidney. It seems like an odd choice to paint "in the style of." I wonder what the painter had in mind.

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  20. MrNate

    MrNate Well-Known Member

    Is it correct to assume the "RBA" after S. Herbert is "Royal Society of British Artists"?

    Here is a page with his signatures:

    http://www.mikesclark.com/genealogy/paintings/paintings_HSP.html

    I'm no appraiser, but my guess would be if it is his work, someone else wrote the signature later, as it looks distinctly different from the listed signatures. Of course with all art, there's more mystery to be discovered! Personally, I like the frame for this piece the best, are there any labels/markings on the back of the frame?
     
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