Chest of Drawers original? not? age?

Discussion in 'Furniture' started by Frank_138, Aug 31, 2020.

  1. Frank_138

    Frank_138 Member

    Hello,

    I have the chance to purchase this chest of drawers. I haven't seen it in person, I just have these photos:

    The measurements are: height 88 cm/34,6 inch - width 82 cm/32,2 inch
    - depth 42 cm/16,5 inch

    What do you think? Original? Original brass pulls?
    The seller is asking around 600$ - do you think the price is fair? Bildschirmfoto 2020-08-31 um 18.47.40.png Bildschirmfoto 2020-08-31 um 18.47.40.png Bildschirmfoto 2020-08-31 um 18.47.52.png Bildschirmfoto 2020-08-31 um 19.59.18.png Bildschirmfoto 2020-08-31 um 20.07.49.png Bildschirmfoto 2020-08-31 um 20.00.40.png Bildschirmfoto 2020-08-31 um 20.00.29.png Bildschirmfoto 2020-08-31 um 20.13.25.png Bildschirmfoto 2020-08-31 um 20.13.36.png
     
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  2. Adrian Lewis

    Adrian Lewis Journeyman

    American provincial circa 1790 possibly as late as 1810/15. I can't help with value.
     
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  3. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    OK 138.... u ask if it's original.....original to what ???
    At 600 bones...the seller must have told you more than you are telling us...

    & while I'm no expert.......unless maybe like Lewis says...it's American & old..... that's a boringly plain piece of brown furniture......and brown....is DOWN...in price & demand..!
    IMO....
     
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  4. Jeff Drum

    Jeff Drum Well-Known Member

    This doesn't look like an American piece to me. Where did you buy it? I would guess English or European. 19th century? Check with the members who live in England/Europe. Pic of the secondary wood (side of drawer) would help locate where it was made. Bottom drawer hardware replaced; keyhole escutcheons look suspect; other pulls may or may not be original; may be other changes. Hard to know what it is based on these pics since it doesn't show the most important parts: side and bottom and inside of drawer, back, and underneath base.

    This is not worth $600 in my market (new england, USA) but it could be different where you are.
     
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  5. Frank_138

    Frank_138 Member

    Seller claims early 19th Century. I just wanted to hear some opinions if this is accurate.

    Thanks for your comments so far.

    Yes, it seems pricey, but here in Germany these kind of furniture are not much around and therefore more expensive than in England or USA.
     
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  6. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    Then let's call in the Big Guns......& put this to rest if we can..........
    for $600....U can do better !!
     
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  7. Frank_138

    Frank_138 Member

    Yes, I agree and will definitely pass on this one.
     
  8. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    "in the style of" campaign furniture. from the legs it could be French. I do not see anything that would indicate earlier than end of 19th c..
     
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  9. Frank_138

    Frank_138 Member

    Like I said before I am not considering this piece anymore.

    For the interest of the forum, more photos, which I received from the seller. Bildschirmfoto 2020-09-01 um 10.55.41.png Bildschirmfoto 2020-09-01 um 10.56.04.png Bildschirmfoto 2020-09-01 um 10.58.15.png Bildschirmfoto 2020-09-01 um 10.57.44.png Bildschirmfoto 2020-09-01 um 10.58.03.png Bildschirmfoto 2020-09-01 um 10.58.50.png Bildschirmfoto 2020-09-01 um 10.57.10.png
     
  10. James Conrad

    James Conrad Well-Known Member

    Guesses English, definitely not American, 20th century revival chest of drawers, machine made.
    The pulls are Hepplewhite but the feet & case are not so I dunno, one of those odd continental pieces. :confused:
    You would be lucky to get $100. in USA for something like this, probably more like $50.
     
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  11. James Conrad

    James Conrad Well-Known Member

    Typical country Federal Hepplewhite walnut chest of drawers, mid-Atlantic region,
    C. 1800.
    Notice the pulls (called late Georgian swan neck in England), called late chippendale/hepplewhite in USA.
    In good condition, sold for $615.USD recently
    This is what your chest is trying to be but isn't! :oops::eek::sorry:

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  12. James Conrad

    James Conrad Well-Known Member

    And another in Birch, country built in New England, C 1810

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  13. Ghopper1924

    Ghopper1924 Well-Known Member

    Yep, I'm thinking revival piece. Glad you didn't buy it!
     
  14. James Conrad

    James Conrad Well-Known Member

    There is an entire industry in europe that cobbles together "antique" furniture manufactured from old and new parts. It used to be BIG business, not sure what the status is now.
    Guesses Frank's chest has a bit of that going on with his chest. I would take a pass on this chest at $50, $600 is pure fantasy.
     
  15. Frank_138

    Frank_138 Member

    Thanks for all your help!!!
     
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  16. Adrian Lewis

    Adrian Lewis Journeyman

    Glad to agree o a somewhere near for the timeline. The reasons I had before my brief overview was: Not English from my lifetime in English/European antiques trade. Swan neck handles as you say, 1780/90 in England or a tad later in the US, especially if a provincial piece. Drawer bottoms quite importantly running north south, dieing out about 1760s/70's in England and I believe similar i the US? . Georgian bracket feet not quite making it. Cock-beaded drawers, typical through the late Georgian period.
     
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  17. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

  18. James Conrad

    James Conrad Well-Known Member

    The drawer bottoms are all wrong for 1st quarter 19th century American builds, it would be a single board (usually), chamfered on 3 edges and slid into grooves on drawer sides and back of drawer front.
     
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  19. James Conrad

    James Conrad Well-Known Member

    Like this but instead of a screw in the back, a couple nails on back

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  20. Adrian Lewis

    Adrian Lewis Journeyman

    In large town or city from a decent cabinet maker I would agree with your sentiments re single chamfered panel, but not a provincial one as above from probably a good carpenter- joiner using what was available. Even the top four swan necks are too small which shows no eye for balance of the overall look. A mistake a proper cabinet maker would never make. We'll have to agree to disagree.
     
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