2 Sterling Thailand knives

Discussion in 'Silver' started by daveydempsey, Jul 28, 2017.

  1. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    Found these in the pantry of the latest house clearance.
    Don`t look very practical, the Niello one marked Siam Sterling might be a letter opener.
    The other marked Thailand Sterling resembles an English fish knife but is curved and is far too small.

    Tourist items from the 40`s & 50`s ?

    Any thoughts.

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  2. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    I normally associate the blade on the smaller knife with "master butter." But that's here, so it might be something different there.
     
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  3. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Could still be a butter knife.
    The niello one has the classic Manimekhala figure, the Goddess of lightning (sparks from her hand) and the sea. She also protects sailors.
    The other figure is probably an Apsara, a Hindu/Buddhist angel.
     
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  4. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    I recall sometime ago someone had a similar curved/bent knife ID`d as a "butter" its rigid enough.
    The Niello one is very thin and flimsy.
     
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  5. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    If it looks like a butter knife....smells like a butter knife....walks like a butter knife...then it's a butter knife......& the set it came from was probably very nice !

    The other ...nice handle & the guard likely means there was a nice sheath with it...& the blade ...looks too flimsy for anything but a letter opener...
     
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  6. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    I believe "Siam" was not used as a mark after the 1960s.
    Thailand was used after.
     
  7. Mansons2005

    Mansons2005 Nasty by Nature, Curmudgeon by Choice

    The country has changed its name from Siam to Thailand and back again a number of times since around 1932. The mark Siam has been, and is still, used on a wide variety of metal ware, usually on mid-grade "tourist" goods. I have/had brass flatware and some silver rings marked Siam that were purchased new in the 1970s.
     
  8. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    The deceased female these belonged to resided in Thailand in the 50`s - 60`s, also in Indonesia, Malaya, Borneo, Philippines, Ceylon, India, Singapore and others.
    Just about everything I`ve recovered upto now has come from those two decades.
    More to follow...........
     
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  9. kyratango

    kyratango Bug jewellery addiction!

    Nice pieces!!!
    The butter knife is a fish knife, :cat:, usual blade shape for them.
    As cooked fish isn't hard to cut, these knives were in one part, the blade is either silver or plated silver depending on the quality of the cutlery set.:)
     
  10. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    well then....Mom used our fish knife....for butter !
     
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  11. kyratango

    kyratango Bug jewellery addiction!

    Oh... Komokwa, your mother was right: I just saw butter knives shaped as this one on Google images...
    In France, our butter knives are rounded at the end and used as spreaders.
    Traditional (and now rather formal!) Fish set:
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  12. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    John Betjeman was a bit scathing about fish knives back in the 30s.
    http://famouspoetsandpoems.com/poets/john_betjeman/poems/785

    The whole point of the poem is to use terms considered a bit 'common' by those bothered about such things.

    There is a useful explanation of all the faux pas below here. Competitive types may wish to try and spot all the 'incorrect' terms before reading this key.

    http://classsystem.blogspot.co.uk/2010/12/phone-for-fish-knives-norman.html

    for any colonials or lower-middles reading this. Without a full understanding of nuances you cannot really be said to speak English fluently :)

    A friend who worked on an oil rig with many Americans told me it was fine to call another man a son of a bitch, but fighting talk if you called him a sorry son of a bitch.
    I have borne this in mind ever since but have not yet had occasion to use it either way.
     
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  13. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    All the place settings had a small rounded butter knife....but the butter tray had the longer pointy one to serve pats or cut from the block...:happy:
     
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  14. kyratango

    kyratango Bug jewellery addiction!

    Aaahhh! Thank you for the explanation, Komokwa :shy::shame:
     
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  15. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    BTW the Niello letter opener sold for £25 on Sunday.
     
  16. Mansons2005

    Mansons2005 Nasty by Nature, Curmudgeon by Choice


    Good on you, Davey!
     
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