Okimono- Is it real?

Discussion in 'Tribal Art' started by Earl Brill, Jul 29, 2020.

  1. Earl Brill

    Earl Brill Member

    I recently bought a Japanese Camel Okimono from a seller at Ebay.
    He wrote it was from the late 19th century, and that the material was a semi-precious stone. At first glance, it appears to be resin, although it passes the hot needle test :) It is missing one of its eyes (may indicate wear due to old age). I don't think it's ivory either. Can someone shed light as to what material, what theme and which era this piece is from? Thanks.
     

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  2. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Earl, I could be wrong, but to me it looks like a nicely carved bone souvenir from a country where they have camels.:bag:
     
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  3. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    What kind of camels? This looks like a cross between a dromedary & a Bactrian.

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    I have a Japanese ivory netsuke of a camel; it's Bactrian.

    Meaning...? Camel does not look like any kind of stone. Bone & ivory don't melt, but they can singe.
     
  4. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I couldn't remember the word dromedary in any language, and I figured someone would correct me.:playful:
     
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  5. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Except look at those short legs. I've never known a camel to slink!
     
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  6. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I don't know if it is a realistic portrayal.
    Or it could be a genetic disorder.:nurse: Be kind.;)
     
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  7. Earl Brill

    Earl Brill Member

    Tigers aren't native to Japan either, yet the Japanese include them in many art pieces and poetry for centuries (I understand they have over 30 words for Tiger, except 'Tora'). This crossbreed between a dromedary and a two-humped Camel could be inspired by Chinese art, or by campaigns to the mainland... I'm being hopeful here, and might be wrong :lurking:
     
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  8. i need help

    i need help Moderator Moderator

    6DEF4DC0-F19F-4EC7-86FD-EA60EB1E5348.jpeg Can you show a close up of the bottom of the feet please?
     
  9. Earl Brill

    Earl Brill Member

    The material is very dense, like Ivory. Only ivory is a bit cooler against the lips :kiss:. Bone is much lighter and hollow, usually with brown stripes and pitting. Is it a condensed silica resin? Photo of the feet is added here ->
     

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  10. Earl Brill

    Earl Brill Member

    Can you add a photo? I'm curious now...:borg:
     
  11. i need help

    i need help Moderator Moderator

    10696C56-1F3D-4613-81A8-215E30204C20.jpeg Ok thanks for the extra photo. The lines are obviously quite different from the blurry photo.
     
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  12. blooey

    blooey Well-Known Member

    I think it's quite a nice form and carefully detailed, whatever the material ..can you see any Schreger lines (cross section grain) in the material?
    However faint, there should be some grain visible if it is indeed ivory.
    Because of the shape of the carving, these lines would more than likely appear at the ends (head and rear) of the piece, so might be harder to spot.
     
  13. Earl Brill

    Earl Brill Member

    It's hard to see any distinct lines, since the carving is very elaborate and simulates wool quite convincingly. However, I spot some brown discoloration near the nose
     

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  14. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    We prefer not to talk about things like that.:shame::hilarious:
     
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  15. blooey

    blooey Well-Known Member

    well at least it isn't at the rear end
     
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  16. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    carved bone..imo.
     
  17. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    You don't know where it has been.:facepalm:
     
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  18. aaroncab

    aaroncab in veritate victoria

  19. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    I am trying to envision what bone, in any animal, is large enough to get a solid piece of that size, and can't think of many. It would have to be a leg bone with a very thick wall.
    On the last view of the underside - is it a trick of the light, or is there a difference in color/texture between the outer side of the camel and the underbelly? I am wondering if it might be walrus tusk.
     
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  20. blooey

    blooey Well-Known Member

    If it is, that would explain the lack of visible grain ...It doesn't look like bone to me either - I'd take a flyer on it, I quite like the form.
     
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