1920s(?) Vases

I bought these left over from an estate we finished up about a month ago. The guy (passed away) was a antique dealer in his later life but he mostly dealt in pottery (Roseville, Rookwood, Hull, etc). He had other types of antiques he decorated with and seemed to have a habit of putting descriptions with items.

These two he only labeled as 1920s.
Im not good with such areas.

Any ideas if he was correct?

 

They look it to me. But no idea who.

 

Very pretty, black glass with as gold encrusted brocade etch. These could be as old as the 1920s, but could be as late as the late 1940s to early 1950s.

 

I'm pretty sure the etch is Wheeling's "Doves, Roses, and Daisies". I haven't figured out the blank yet. As best I can figure the etch was introduced in the 1920's.
Don

 

This is one where I'd say "who cares" and plop them into my cabinet of gilded lilies and gloat.

 

Thank you!
What do you mean by the blank?

 

The black glass. Wheeling was just a decorating firm. They bought the black glass from another company and then etched it. Wheeling bought from dozens of companies so it can be tough to pin down which one any given vase came from.
Don

 

I'd wonder about their age due to absence of ANY signs of use. The bottoms no matter how hard the material, should, it seems, show some scratches. The gilding or whatever would usually have some darkening or loss due to handling, wouldn't it? I agree, what difference does it make, but unless these were kept in the original box for 97 years, personally I have trouble with the assumed age.

 

Unless someone like my grandmother had them. We had some glass candlesticks in my attic that she got at the movies or in soap (or similar) back in the 30s. She never got rid of them, but apparently didn't like the marigold color much. They sat in a cabinet there, and then in a box in my attic, until we pulled them out a good 60 years after she got them. No signs of wear at all. My cousin, who loves Depression glass, got them as a graduation gift.

 

Springfld, you're sounding paranoid. Lots of things have been reproduced, but not these.The voice of experience speaking.

 

Theres signs of wear on the edge of the top rims and some in other places on the "shoulders" of the vases themselves, though its very minimal.

Now, would these be just gold paint or gold plated?

 

Webster in his book on Wheeling plate 54 suggests that the glass was made by Central Glass. Vases like this would have not been pushed around on a shelf so the base scratching would be minimal if any. With out checking the book I am think these were gold filled definitely not paint. Webster does give a 3 figure BV for what it is worth.

 

I have a jug made in about 1805 which has almost no wear at all. Gilded glass can show far less wear than gilded china.

 

Just popping in to confirm the blanks are Central's #1450. So the vases, at least, must have been produced before 1939. They are pictured in Schmidt's book on pg. 37. Also have a 3 figure BV there.
Don

 

Yall are awesome! Thank you!

 

Okay, so I'm about to list these at auction..
In order for a collector to find them what would be the proper name for them?

Central glass Wheeling Doves Roses and Daisies vases?

I had a friend in glass said she found some on eBay and they aren't worth much :/

I can't find them and idk what "much" means to her (she has much deeper pockets than I )

 

I think I'd try to get the word "pair" in there someplace. Having a match set should make them more desirable. The word "ebony" might help too. My personal strategy on these would be to list them for auction at $149 for the pair (1/2 of the lower book value) or maybe even $99 for the pair depending on how fast I wanted to sell them. I would not be surprised if they failed at sell at auction in which case I would list them on a BIN at $149 with a best offer option. It might take some time for Central Glass collectors to check in and find the listing. After about six months without a sale I'd try a discount. If the pair has gotten no bids or watchers I'd discount further.

Central Glass made beautiful items but is not that well known as Cambridge, Fenton, Imperial, etc. That's one of the problems with some of these elegant glass lines. We need to find someone that collects Central Glass in ebony with gold decoration. They are probably few and far between. If the right collector does find them we want to make it cheap enough to that its tempting. There may be some crossover appeal to collectors of black glass so make sure you drop the phrase "black glass" in your listing description.

Please understand that there are as many opinions on how to sell items as there are items to sell and personal factors to consider. Some may agree with my method while others may be appalled. They are beautiful vases. I hope they find a good home.
Don

 

If you can work in "gold encrusted etched" that is what they are. If you can't fit

 

They are going to be sold in liveauctioneers..
Taking a risk bc it's fast paced but it's live and online so maybe that would help.

Ill be able to give a high and low estimate and a start price, but it can also drop below the start price

 

Did you hold them up to see if by chance they are black amethyst?