Is it a Celadon?

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  1. Favebit

    Favebit New Member

    This is a vase with brown glaze like celadon. Some glaze turn color from brown to green. Is it celadon? Period? Thank you for any information.

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  2. Melissa Brown

    Melissa Brown Well-Known Member

    It looks like a celadon glaze, judging mostly from the pooling on the outside of the foot ring, but I don't know what it is or how old it is. Celadon glaze is still made today.
     
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  3. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    It is a lovely rustic ghendi or khendi, probably from southeast Asia. The glaze could be classed as celadon, which is just a term for pale bluish green.
    The designs are carved into the clay before glazing, which is how you get that depth in the glaze. After firing, the ghendi is cooled, that causes the attractive crackle glaze. It is a controlled process, you have to know what you are doing to get the desired crackle pattern.
    A ghendi is a ewer for water or wine. The shape originated in Persia, but is very popular in East Asia. Yours is purely decorative because the spout is closed. In a true ghendi it would be open. A ghendi is filled from the top and you can drink from the spout. You hold it high so the spout doesn't touch your mouth.
    A ghendi usually has a lid, but those get lost. I don't know if yours was meant to have a lid.
    This is a Ming white and blue ghendi, ca 1600:
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  4. Favebit

    Favebit New Member

    Thank you for your info. I have been informed that mine is Kendi Sukhothai from Sukhothai Kingdom, Thailand 15-16 century. Yes it is from South East Asia.
     
  5. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    Yours is purely decorative because the spout is closed. In a true ghendi it would be open....

    @Any Jewelry ....would a 15th - 16th century example be made as a decoration ?

    It look very close to this one ....almost too close.....;)

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  6. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    A Sukhothai or even Sawankhalok ghendi always has an open spout. Even the most beautiful examples were functional. There are other telltale signs:
    - Sukhothai celadon is usually very bluish, sometimes green, this one has a brownish tinge.
    - The base on Sukhothai pottery is never glazed, on this ghendi it is.
    - Sukhothai glaze does not end in a nicely defined edge on the footrim, this one has a perfect edge.
    Sukhothai celadon, colour and bases:
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    Thailand has been a tourist destination for over a century, and Thai themselves also like a nice vase in traditional style.
    This piece is purely decorative and, though inspired by tradition and history, was not made in the Sukhothai period.
     
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  7. khl889

    khl889 Well-Known Member

    Is there a pinkish tone there, or is that just your camera?

    If it's really just brown or brownish green, then it somewhat resembles Yaozhou ware, from north of Xi'an. Yaozhou ware is still produced today.

    On good Yaozhou ware, though, the underlying carving should be quite sharp and distinct through the glaze. It's pretty muddy on your piece.
     
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  8. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Agree, although it is reminiscent of Yaozhou ware, it is not nearly as clearly defined as Yaozhou. Even less deeply carved Yaozhou ware has a more tactile quality than this ghendi.
     
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  9. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    There are factories in China where they make 'antique' porcelain, etc. They copy the items from pictures of antiques and don't know what the real piece actually looks like. If they would copy the ghendi in the picture Komo posted, they could very well copy it with a closed spout.
    The same could happen in Thailand, which is well-known as a 'fakers paradise':
    http://www.nytimes.com/1988/12/11/t...g-art-is-an-art-in-itself.html?pagewanted=all
     
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  10. khl889

    khl889 Well-Known Member

    A stack of glossy auction catalogs lying around is usually a tip-off.
     
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