Is this an Eagle? Native Wood Carving

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  1. cxgirl

    cxgirl Well-Known Member

    Hi,
    Is this an eagle or maybe a thunderbird? 19" x 9 1/2", writing on the back that I can't make out.
    Any information appreciated
    thanks for looking
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  2. Joshua Brown

    Joshua Brown Decently-Known-Member

    I'm guessing it's a thunderbird.
    :)
     
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  3. cxgirl

    cxgirl Well-Known Member

    thank-you Joshua, I have a hard time figuring these out.
     
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  4. Joshua Brown

    Joshua Brown Decently-Known-Member

    Here's all that can be gotten out of the writing on the back (I didn't have to make it orange, I just like the color :p):

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  5. all_fakes

    all_fakes Well-Known Member

    Not eagle or thunderbird, but a Wolf. Kwakiutl.
    Note long snout and square teeth, with sharp incisors. Eagle or Thunderbird would have a beak, with a downturned tip; Raven, a straight beak holding a small object representing the sun; Killer Whale, a blowhole; Beaver, a chewing stick; Frog, a tongue - those would be some of the symbolic elements one would look for to ID the creatures in Northwest Coast Native carvings.

    I can't make out the writing either, and don't recognize the carver.
    Alert Bay would be a likely place of origin, and it looks like possibly by a member of the Wamiss family, but that is a guess.
     
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  6. Joshua Brown

    Joshua Brown Decently-Known-Member

    Yep, That makes a lot of sense... I hadn't noticed that! :shame:
     
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  7. cxgirl

    cxgirl Well-Known Member

    Thank-you all_fakes, I would never have guessed wolf.
    great information to keep with me, thank-you again:)
    I've had this for a few years and can't remember where I got it, I have never figured out what the writing is.
     
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  8. all_fakes

    all_fakes Well-Known Member

    I've got a wearable Wolf mask by Stan Wamiss, and could provide some photos for stylistic comparison; but I'll be away all weekend.
    On second thought I'm pretty sure this may not be Wamiss family, but there are a number of other families in that area who might have done it.
    The Hunts and several others tend to add additional colors to the red/black white used here, so that lets them out.
     
  9. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    i can see the 2011....and guess at the name being Jeffreys....Jeffries....but it's a tourist carving...of maybe $ 75 to $ 85......and while old Alert Bay work was first white washed before painting...so that fits the tradition....the ears should be black , not red.....so artistic license of a young carver learning the trade.
     
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  10. all_fakes

    all_fakes Well-Known Member

    Or sadly, an older one who just didn't care. There are a number of older carvers whose work got gradually worse as they aged. But yes, black ears with red interior U-forms would be the usual expectation. Possibly Nov 5, 2011? I can't make out much more than that.
    I'm still going with Alert Bay area as a pretty likely possibility for a number of reasons, not just the coloration. The nested trigons in the eyebrows, done in a rather loose way, are suggestive of several of the Alert Bay families who did tourist-type carvings. But that style could certainly be used elsewhere.
    "Flats" are made pretty widely, and shops carrying flats will often have many made by carvers who are actually working outside their own cultural tradition, because of the need for sale.
    This item would be typical of something found in a Vancouver BC shop, and could have been made in Vancouver proper, or almost anywhere in BC. But I do see a number of Alert Bay features.
     
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  11. cxgirl

    cxgirl Well-Known Member

    Thank-you all_fakes and komokwa:) I probably got it in an auction, but where and when I can't remember.
    Interesting talking about Alert Bay - a fellow came in the store the other day with some old photos of Alert Bay, taken in the 1960s. We used to go to Alert Bay to play basketball so it was fun to see the photos.
     
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