Questions about & help selling set of 12 Hutschenreuther plates

I have six each 10 1/8" dinner plates and 8 3/8" (appetizer? salad? dessert?) plates. Here's just one of the dinners.

I searched the R site for the pattern, to no avail. It's pretty, and has what I'd call understated elegance. It appears to be gold and silver encrusted (though there's no tarnish present to indicate actual silver; I take the gold to be the gold leaf commonly found on china). The triple band is about 5/8" wide. Here's a close-up.

Last, questions about the backstamps. I'll show them first, then ask questions.

1. Does the logo help to date these?
2. Does TIRSCHENREUTH indicate a city perhaps where the plates were made? (That's what I believe I was told some time ago.)
3. Do the red letters at bottom indicate a company in Belgium where they were decorated?

One final question: Would it make sense to offer each set of six at a low price—say 9.99—or start them higher—say 99.95?

BTW, I first posted this on PGP, and already learned from gregsglass that the silver is likely to be platinum. But I figure it won't hurt to show them here as well.

And if I should not do that, I hope someone will give me nudge. Thanks!

 

Tirschenreuth is the location of the original factory. Dunno if it's all still made there. The Belgian mark looks like a retailer. I'd check the closed auction prices for this manufacturer. I love some of their patterns, but it's not one of those marquee names.

 

According to a couple of sites on the history of Hutschenreuther, the company purchased or merged with the Tirschenreuth porcelain factory in 1927. Soooo I suspect the earliest for this mark is 1927.

Scroll down to "History of Hutschenreuther China."
http://www.chinafinders.com.au/Histories.asp

http://www.collectorpoint.com/plate/makerview.php?id=113
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutschenreuther#History

I haven't had any luck finding this exact mark; however, did find one with the same crown, shield and with Hutschenreuther Germany under it. It doesn't have Tirschenreuth. Ii has a red PASCO diamond importer mark and is dated 1938-1969.This is on a page about the NY importer "Paul A. Straub & Company, Inc. (1915 until 1970)."

Comments:
"The PASCO importer mark was used between around 1948 and 1970, and even if it is often found in conjunction with Hutschenreuther manufacturer marks it does not mean that everything only showing the PASCO mark is automatically Hutschenreuther. In fact all items showing only that mark (with exception of the 'RICHELIEU' (7658) series) were produced by other manufacturers."

Scroll down the page to Image 1-02.
http://www.porcelainmarksandmore.com/related/usa/newyork-06/index.php

You might try searching the Tirschenreuth patterns on the replacements.com site. I did a quick scan through the Image Gallery -the blue line down the left side of the pattern list. I didn't spot this pattern, but did see a few with gold and platinum bands around the edge similar to yours. This pattern may be there for certainly didn't look at them all.

--- Susan

 

Start them lower, but high enough to cover costs and get your money back. The problem with china like this is that it is replacement china. It's unlikely to be purchased by anyone to display. A buyer will most likely be looking to supplement the pieces in the pattern that they already have. In that respect, the age isn't so important. It might be a good idea to use the picture of the rim as a gallery photo.

 

Thank you for that suggestion. I think the rim close-up will make an effective gallery photo. In a case like this where the pattern is not a known, pictures will surely speak louder than words.

 

That china is BEAUTIFUL!!!! I like it almost as much as my Spode, Claridge!

 

The mark is owned by Rosenthal. I found the pattern I wanted as wedding china but never got. They don't seem to have direct sales to the US any more unfortunately. These are the current patterns under this imprint. I'm a Baronesse White fan from way back. http://www.rosenthal.de/de/shop/markenwelten/hutschenreuther-de/dining-collections-6-de/

 

Thank you, Kathleen. Nice to see you here!

Do you have any thoughts on what might be a realistic BIN price? I fear a low starting price, as I would normally use, because it's not a known pattern. I plan to list it as two sets of six plates each.

 

What moreotherstuff said. And I would add that the simplicity of the decoration allows it to be combined with other patterns also.

Such elegant designs are seldom used any more, and unfortunately one loses money.

But I am picturing those plates against a pale yellow damask cloth, with ornate silverware, and seriously elegant crystal. Plus a largish silver tray as a centerpiece filled with evergreen branches and gold fruit and silver walnuts and a few red holly twigs...

Merry Christmas!

 

Thank you. I'm still in a six-week (cultural, social and culinary) celebration of turning 65. This will end with a local concert on Sunday, November 16 (two days after our annual Philadelphia Orchestra excursion).

That is some vision. Your tables must be truly gorgeous.

What do you think: $49.99 per six? I have to say that I am helpless at this, having perhaps never before used a BIN. And I'm selling these for a third party, so I have nothing invested.

 

I love long birthday celebrations!

 

I have 50 pieces (10 place settings) of my mother's Pasco Richelieu in perfect condition, in storage since the 80's. Prices seem to be going down as collectors age, where to sell? Only individual pieces on E-Bay.

 

Hello Kso....welcome.

I just noticed that this thread was started a few years ago. (I need to start looking at
dates).

You might want to start your own thread with your question.

 

I read somewhere just recently that the prices on fine china were dropping because dinner parties are a thing of the past. No one "dines" anymore. No one feels the need to set a table.

 

Formal china has been replaced with Formal Chinet.(sigh) Mom gave hers away, and I threw in the packing materials, to one of my cousins. The cousin was incredibly happy to get it; she always loved mom's dinnerware and hated her own. We never used it any more either, and it went to family. Good place for it. Resale on formal china right now is pretty darned close to zero.

 

Hi,
Has been for ten years. I had a wonderful set of 1890s porcelain china set of 15 place settings 14 serving pieces all in mint condition. I had 100 bucks on it dropped it to 75 and finally 50. I would not go lower it would be cheaper to use it for skeet shooting. Last day of the sale a Turkish woman walked over and examined it and fell in love, she said she only had a 100 dollars left but would return the next day with the rest of the money. I explained that it was not 500 but 50. She was so excited I did not even mind wrapping it up for her and carried it to her car. Now a days I doubt if I could get 10 bucks for it.
greg

 

Turks often have big families, Greg, so no surprise she was happy to find that. Even when they don't, when they throw a party they invite everybody. A service for 15 sounds about right for a smaller family gathering!