Crown Saxe Lycett Stationers Porcelain Plate ID

Hello!
I'm stumped! This plate is marked with a green crown and "Saxe.". A separate green Mark says, "Lycett Stationers, Balto." I’m trying to identify the maker, painter and time period. Also wondering, is Crown Saxe made from Limoges porcelain?

I found Lycett Stationers in Baltimore, but can't determine if the porcelain painter, Lycett, was part of the company. They sold Spode and other makers in their shop in Baltimore. This plate doesn't look nearly as accomplished as Lycett's work I've come across. Seems a big coincidence though. From what I’ve read, Lycett was in New York and Atlanta. Maybe a family member from another generation? Thank you!

 

Pretty plate! I hope stomebody else will be by soon to help.

 

I think Lycett was the retailer and had nothing to do with making the plate or the design.
Mikey

 

Saxe is German.

 

The SAXE mark was used by Charles Ahrenfeldt from the 1890's until somewhere between 1910 and WWI for china from their Carlsbad factory.

The W.P. Jervis book of marks from 1897 showing the mark.

An ad mentioning their SAXE china.

A mention in 1900 showing E. Allen Lycett and Thomas Lycett consolidating into Lycett Stationers. So I guess your plate dates to 1900-1914ish.

The plate wouldn't have been decorated or had anything to do with Edward or William Lycett.

 

First of all, there was not a single factory in Carlsbad as that was (as the name implies) a famous air & water spa. In Europe this fact is pretty well known; the "factory in Carlsbad" myth is probably based on foreign books written by uneducated people like the Kovels (which mis-translated a lot of the material they shamelessly lifted from Roentgen).

As we all probably know many hobby publishers with their "collector books" have birthed far worse than that ("Thuringer belonged to Austria" *LOL!*) etc., so people should simply take notes and move on:

Ahrenfeldt used LIMOGES marks on items they purchased in Limoges, ALTROHLAU marks for items they purchased in Altrohlau (Austrian Bohemia), and SAXE & SAXONIA marks for items they purchased in Germany, more specific Saxony (and later Thuringia, based on family ties).

As you will have noticed I said "purchased in", not "produced". The second myth touching Ahrenfeldt is that he owned "factories", which is wrong. Next to a small decoration studio (!) in Limoges he owned mere trade offices, as can be seen in the corresponding address and trade registers. Reason is an European expression, a twist of tongue, a marketing fib ... and suddenly "my agent/office" became "my factory".

I could name original producers, but those are irrelevant in context of Ahrenfeldt-marked goods. And I could go on about the telegraph system. Oh, there is a lot more to this but we are in a FORUM, not a BOOK. Any questions?

 

Thank you, Chris!

 

Thanks to Chris, my post was pretty good!

 

There was a quite a large Limoges factory owned by Ahrenfeldt that went into business I believe right after his death, it was opened by his son. My grandfather Fred Grob purchased the Ahrenfeldt company around 1917. He was in business with another guy in New York on Murray street named Herman Kupper also selling Schierholz, Plau porcelain. At that time he bought the company there was a lot of salesman samples from the decorating studio in Altrohlau. I have some of the records from Ahrenfeldt dating back to 1870's...pattern sketches, etc. My grandfather died and my grandmother ran company up till the 1950's.