Help with a Cast Iron Dogs Letter Holder

Discussion in 'Antique Discussion' started by ola402, Oct 19, 2014.

  1. ola402

    ola402 Well-Known Member

    I purchased this cast iron (or some other metal) letter holder with 2 dogs on a marble base. At least, that's what I think it is. Has anyone ever seen one like it? I'm having trouble figuring out the ins and outs so I can write an ebay listing making people want it, LOL! The dogs look like Airedales to me, please correct if I'm wrong (not a dog person). When I tap on the dogs, it sounds hollow, although there are no seams on the bodies. So I think there are holes in their paws where I believe they are attached to the marble base. But I don't know how they're attached, I'm just deducing that from the stains around the paws on the base. Also, when I tap on them, I begin to doubt that the metal is cast iron, seems too thin-ish from the sound and possibly the weight of this item is from the marble, not the dogs. Can anyone provide any addl. information? I would like to know how old it is, who made it (if possible, not marked), how it likely was assembled, things like that. It measures 6 3/4" x 4" x 6 1/2" high. Thanks for your help!

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  2. tyeldom3

    tyeldom3 Well-Known Member

    Does a magnet stick?
    Could it be a bookend? Just a thought:cat:
    Probably glued on since there is no hardware under the marble?
    Cute, I like it.
     
  3. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    Could be bronze. Why not? (Could be spelter.) Check the bellies and the inside of the legs for marks.
     
  4. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    They look like Airedale Terriers for sure, adult and pup.
    I can see what appears to be adhesive around some of their feet.
     
  5. ola402

    ola402 Well-Known Member

    I checked with a magnet and nothing happens, so I guess not Iron. Could they still be spelter, since they're hollow? Maybe tin or aluminum? But that confuses me since there is no evidence of paint chipping, it appears to be something that is naturally black. May be glued, the stains at the paws I thought might be from cleaning and contact with water since there are teeny water marks on one paw. Maybe I should write one of those 3 line ebay listings you see more and more now: "1 Black metal Airedale dogs letter holder, 2 measures . . . 3 Happy bidding!" So EZ!
     
  6. yourturntoloveit

    yourturntoloveit Well-Known Member

    "1 Black metal Airedale dogs letter holder, 2 measures . . . 3 Happy bidding!"


    Ola402
    , you're so baaaaad. ;) LOL
     
  7. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    My guess would be patinated spelter.

    The Airedale is an unhappy breed without binocular vision for much of its field of view because the snout is so high. Like many distorted dogs, it should be allowed to become extinct or bred back into the main dog line.
     
  8. ola402

    ola402 Well-Known Member

    Didn't know that about Airedales. So many breeds have problems. I saw on TV not long ago where a Vet said that it's now very common to do surgery on Bulldog's noses just so they can breathe.
     
  9. ola402

    ola402 Well-Known Member

    And I forgot to say, Thanks for all your comments, very helpful.
     
  10. spirit-of-shiloh

    spirit-of-shiloh Well-Known Member

    They look like Kerry Blues ?


    Didn't see the other posts till now?
    Yes Airdales, Kerrys have a hairier face :p
     
  11. 42Skeezix

    42Skeezix Moderator Moderator

    I was gonna suggest Laddie boy and Laddie Jr. but it seems there is no Laddie Jr.
     
  12. gregsglass

    gregsglass Well-Known Member

    Hi,
    Very nice piece. I do not think it is a letter holder, feel like it is a nice
    decorative item. These guys were very popular in the 20s/30s. I have had door stops and book ends but they had flat edges.
    greg
     
  13. 42Skeezix

    42Skeezix Moderator Moderator

    I'm seeing cast bronze here. Not black. I see typical dark patination. Not spelter IMHO.

    One thing that bothers me though. These appear to be fairly better quality castings. Is that a mold line from the ear to the collar on the larger dog? Otherwise I don't see any mold lines, which is correct. Even if they ARE present they're usually well disguised. That line is...odd.

    I would guess they're mounted to the base with iron or steel pegs anchored into blind holes in the marble. If they were simply mounted with some type of adhesive alone they'd surely have separated...no doubt.

    They might be what one calls Vienna Bronzes, but not quite IMHO. Vienna bronzes are typically a little bit smaller, and normally cold painted but not always. Not often mounted on bases either.

    The Airdale's popularity peeked in the early 20s when the earlier mentioned Laddie Boy was the dog of President Warren Harding who served from '21 to '23. Laddie Boy was a national sensation with thousands of items, figurines in bronze, spelter, pottery, chalk, you name it, items with his image, etc. being created to capitalize on the craze. The infatuation quickly faded. You could probably put together a very nice specialized collection of Laddie Boy stuff alone.

    I think this is a very nice item, Laddie or not. Of the period for sure (IMHO.)
     
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  14. ola402

    ola402 Well-Known Member

    So sorry, but I haven't been back here until today. I've been horribly busy and set the dogs aside for awhile to work on other things that I'm better acquainted with. Skeezix, thank you so much for your comments. I'll post a photo in the next 24 with a close up of the line you refer to. After more eyeballing, I believe you're correct about how they're mounted, it has to be pegs and when I plunk the dogs, they sound hollow. Ok, be back at ya, soonest.
     
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  15. ola402

    ola402 Well-Known Member

    I took some photos of the seam along the dogs' backs. It looks to me like the dogs were cast in two parts and then fused together, maybe like soldering. The seam appears to have been filed or smoothed over somehow. Also, I am noticing a slight green cast to the metal, but an overall black appearance. Thanks!
     

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