19th century Dutch oil painting - need help

Discussion in 'Art' started by Antiquer, Mar 18, 2017.

  1. Antiquer

    Antiquer Member

    Got this 19th century oil painting of a Dutch artist.
    I know who the artist is but need help to give it a title.

    I named it myself years ago with the title '' A Sunday morning street scene of a old church in a dutch village with local churchgoers'' / ''Zondagmorgen dorpskerk aanzicht met kerkgangers'' because I think it shows a church in a village and the figures look all dressed in smart Sunday church clothes.

    Now I have second thoughts if I titled it correctly and need second opinion.

    Is the building with the green roof a church or is it something else like a city hall/stadhuis? Its the biggest building in the street and whatever building this is it looks like its made to hold many people. It has a big width door opening and large windows to let the daylight in. On the top of the roof is something what looks like a cross but cant really make claims to this, it could also be a spike (or maybe its just the angle how the artist seen this)

    Would also be ideal if I could find out in which village it was painted in Holland. Any Dutch people here?

    The artist painted mainly street-scenes in the Province North-Holland like The Hague, Amsterdam, Alkmaar, Monnickendam.

    Any help is welcome.

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    Last edited: Mar 18, 2017
  2. judy

    judy Well-Known Member

    Hi Antiquer.....welcome.

    I can't help, but I believe there are two members here who are Dutch who will offer their opinions.
    :cat:
     
  3. Antiquer

    Antiquer Member

    Thank you Judy for the warm welcome. I found this website last week by accident and seen many topics solved with proper expertise. Thought let me signup and get some help with my projects.
     
  4. judy

    judy Well-Known Member

    My pleasure.......others will be along to welcome you also.

    I forgot to say how much I like your painting.
     
  5. Aquitaine

    Aquitaine Is What It IS! But NEVER BORED!

    Hi and WELCOME, Antiquer!!! What I know about paintings you can usually put on the tip of a hangnail on my pinkie, but as Judy said, the 'well informed' should be along, so keep checking back!!!! It IS a lovely painting!!
     
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  6. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    Your date may be a bit off. The figures dressed in contemporary clothes look to be early 20th century.

    Debora
     
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  7. Antiquer

    Antiquer Member

    Thank you for the reply Debora.

    No the date is correct. I know who the artist is and the painting is also signed by him but don't want to show this because its a unknown painting by him and want to keep it that way.

    The artist lived from the quarter 1800's until late 1800's so it can not be 20th century. Thx anyway
     
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  8. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    It is an irrefutable fact that women's hemlines didn't rise above the ankle until the mid-1910s. Take a closer look at your 19th century painting.

    Debora
     
  9. gerspee

    gerspee Well-Known Member

    The green roof building looks like the backside off a church to me . And who's the painter ?
     
  10. Antiquer

    Antiquer Member

    Thank you Debora, that's a interesting observation and I learned something from it. I looked up other works the same artist and the women on there also have hemlines rising above the ankle. Maybe just the way he painted.

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    One dates 1845 and the other 1879

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  11. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Welcome Antiquer, here's the first Dutch person, and collector of Dutch regional dress, reporting for duty:)

    This scene is in The Netherlands, and painted in the 19th century, a time when most people wore regional dress (streekdracht). And many types of regional dress did have outrageously short skirts above the ankle. Not just in The Netherlands, but also in Germany and other parts of Europe.
    Don't be fooled by the top hat of the man with the cane, the top hat features a lot in Dutch regional dress.
    I don't think this was painted in the province of North Holland, did he also paint in other parts of the country? I am thinking east, possibly southeast.
    Who is the painter, by the way?

    The building is the back of a church, the rounded choir part. I don't think it is a sunday, though. The woman on the right is carrying a basket, so it could be market day. And market was never on sunday, it was a calvinist country after all.
     
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  12. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    i find it interesting that a painting this old would be matted and framed behind glass....
     
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  13. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Couldn't see the glass, but I have an appointment to have my eyes checked next week.
    I thought it was the varnish gone 'dead', or whatever you call it.
     
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  14. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    u see the thick huge mat....right ?
     
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  15. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Only just;)
    I think I was concentrating too much on the costumes. And I keep thinking that my grandfather had this picture.... which started me wondering whatever happened to it. He had it without the glass.
     
  16. Antiquer

    Antiquer Member

    Thank you Any Jewelry.
    So I was correct about the the building being a church. Interesting fact that it is the back of the church. Could this than maybe mean than that it was not painted in a village but in a bigger city?

    Yes the woman is carieng a basket. So its not a churchgoer? Was a basket in those days not the same as a woman having a bag today? This is very interesting. I maybe need to change the title for this painting.

    I just send you a message with a few other questions if you don't mind.
     
  17. Antiquer

    Antiquer Member

    I believe it used to sit on a stretcher in the past. Now its in a outer border with a hard backing (not glued) and framed behind glass. Could also have never been on a stretcher before. I don't know
     
  18. Antiquer

    Antiquer Member

    I know! Is this is good thing or a bad thing? I have/had many paintings and this is the first one on canvas that is framed behind glass. Ive seen this only in museums before, but those ones were still on the stretchers.
     
  19. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    a painting on canvas needs to breath.......i would never mat one unless it was acid free...and never seal one up behind glass......imo...
     
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  20. Antiquer

    Antiquer Member

    Oei. When I first bought it I took it out of the frame to reseacrh on clues or maybe ay text which could help me further. I have sealed it back up and this was years ago. What do you suggest.
     
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