Mystery mark on sterling silver bracelet, Dutch coins, help please.

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  1. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Does anyone know the mark on this bracelet?
    I bought it in the UK, the bracelet tests as sterling silver. The pendants are regular Dutch coins dating from 1948-66, featuring queens Wilhelmina and Juliana.
    The mark doesn't look like any Dutch mark I know. Maybe the coins were added to an existing bracelet?

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  2. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Partial British hallmark, so probably added.
     
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  3. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    The mark on the clasp looks like a sterling lion passant. These charm bracelets made with Dutch silver coins are quite common for some reason, sometimes the braclets are made entirely of coins, and I have seen a lot of spoons made from the larger coins.
    The unusual feature is that the coins are usually from the 1940s and usually, I imagine, soldiers pocket souvenirs. Later coins obviously mean this was made in the 60s, a period when such bracelets were popular. It appears to have been made on a piece of new chain, the older ones were usually recycled watch chain pieces, and on the watch chain examples every link has the lion mark.

    Because of the light weight and small size of the item it appears they were content to lion stamp just the clasp on this chain.

    I can't remember the exact figures off hand but the coins are not sterling but about 0.750 fine.
     
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  4. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Thanks Obb and af.
    Now that I look at the mark again I can see the lion, I had missed the tail before. It often takes another pair of eyes (or two pairs) to see the obvious.
    You're right af, the coins are not sterling, just the link bracelet.
     
  5. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    I think it's probably that af and I have seen a great many of those lions in our time!
     
  6. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Yes, probably more than I have. This one is so small, I just saw a tiny stick with two prongs on one side and three on the other. Now I see there is a bit more to the mark.
    British marks are often bigger, it is the Dutch marks that are usually so small they are almost illegible. And of course my eyesight isn't what it used to be, marks are getting smaller, just like policemen/women are getting younger.
     
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  7. LIbraryLady

    LIbraryLady Well-Known Member

    Have a similar bracelet of odd, worn coins,a dn always wondered what the common thread was. Fun to think it might be from a soldier's pocket change on returning from abroad,
     
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  8. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    Those 10 & 25 Cent coins are made of nickel.
    They were 0.64 silver but that ceased in 1945.

    I weigh them in for scrap as they are pure nickel which is more valuable than copper.
     
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  9. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Thanks for pointing that out, I thought they changed it in the 60s.
    I looked it up and the nickel ones were introduced after the reign of queen Wilhelmina, 1948.
    There were zinc ones during the German occupation, the silver ones were reintroduced after the war, until the introduction of the nickel ones.
    So the Wilhelmina coins do have some silver content, but the value of this bracelet is mainly nostalgia or interest in royalty. I have had a few bids on a Dutch site.
    Americans of Dutch descent are often interested in this type of jewellery, and I have sold coin jewellery to the Boho crowd as well.

    Among the trivia about these coins, called kwartje (25c) and dubbeltje (10c), I saw that the dubbeltje was used to determine the size of the hole in the CD. Joop Sinjou, head of audio development at Philips (Eindhoven, The Netherlands), just pulled a dubbeltje out of his pocket when he was asked about the size. He later said this was the easiest part of the design process.
    The CD was developed by Philips, the CD-system was a joint effort of Sony and Philips.
     
  10. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    You said the coins were dated between 1948-66, if so they are pure nickel, no silver content.

    I obtain many of these coins every week and I put them in the correct scrap box.
    See the Krause World coins list, I`ve put red dots next to the Nickel and the dates 1948 onwards.

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  11. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    The Dutch sites I saw all say that the nickel ones were introduced after the reign of queen Wilhelmina. Since the coins are Dutch, I assume the Dutch sites know their stuff. This means the Wilhelmina ones are still silver, albeit low grade. They also test as low grade silver.
    I don't know if you read a little Dutch, there are of course translation sites, but the significant words on the following silver pages are koningin = queen, zilver = silver, nikkel = nickel:

    http://www.zilver-inkoop.nl/zilveren-kwartjes.html
    http://www.zilver-inkoop.nl/zilveren-dubbeltjes.html

    As you can see the nickel ones were introduced after the reign of queen Wilhelmina. Her reign ended in september 1948, followed the same month and year by the reign of queen Juliana. Consequently the Wilhelmina ones, minted until september 1948, are silver (low grade), the Juliana ones, minted from september 1948 onwards, are nickel. The two queens on the coins look very different, but you already know that.

    It doesn't matter to me, I am not a coin collector, and as I wrote earlier I sell the bracelet for the nostalgic, etc. value. I only expect bids for that reason and for the sterling link bracelet. It was only important to me to have the mark verified. But it would be a shame if you put your silver coins in the nickel scrapbox.
     
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  12. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    But it would be a shame if you put your silver coins in the nickel scrapbox.

    No I don`t do that, nickel adheres to a magnet, it is easily sorted.
    You did state your coins were dated between 1948 and 1966
    No silver 10 & 25 cent coins with Wilhelmina`s head were struck after 1945.
    The 1948 Wilhelmina were nickel as per the list I posted.

    Your site only shows silver 10 & 25 Cents upto 1945.

    I do read a little Dutch.
    I understand koningin = queen, zilver = silver, nikkel = nickel:
    Anything else I don`t understand I ask my Dutch neighbour Douwe & Jansje Aaltje.:)
     
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