Star and Garter 1768 Pewter Bowl

Can anyone tell me about this bowl? Doing research for my father, found a little info on my phone but am going to look into it on an actual computer

 

We see nothing.
Make your photos 480x640, load them right here in your post which you can edit, and use the full image button always please.

 

pictures man...we need pictures.

 

Or a 55" crystal ball.

 

Here are a couple of them

 

Had to resize these ones

 

Full images please...

 

click on them?

 

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Try doing that on a phone.

 

I think this pewter plate was from the Star and Garter Hotel, probably built in 1768, located on New Bond St., London. There was a Star and Garter Hotel on New Bond St. in London back in the late 1700s. Some places refer to it on Bond St and others mention a Richmond Hill and Richmond upon Thames. I am woefully ignorant of the layout of London as to New Bond St/Bond St. and an area called Richmond Hill. Anyways, from 1770 to 1781 a Masonic Lodge met at the Star & Garter. Sometime before WWI most of the old hotel burnt down leaving an annex or some sort of building. Sometime during WWI or shortly after Queen Mary, Patron of the British Red Cross, wanted to create a home for permanently disabled soldiers especially for those paralysed from the waist down. After raising money, the Red Cross bought the remnants of the Star and Garter Hotel using the annex or whatever for a home. It kept growing and growing resulting in the building of bigger and more facilities. In 1924 a new Star & Garter for Diasbled Sailors, Soldiers and Airmen was dedicated. Today it may be called The Royal Star & Garter Home in Richmond Surrey.

The meeting of the Freemason Lodge at the Star & Garter Hotel on New Bond St, page 12, right hand column #15:
https://books.google.com/books?id=l04BAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA12&lpg=PA12&dq=star+and+garter+1768+bowl&source=bl&ots=n2BH7M6S4x&sig=59PlVVg8H4FKhfkp6ptX93eK6wc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjvxqmtu_DRAhVESyYKHUIjDb4Q6AEIJTAD#v=onepage&q=star and garter 1768 bowl&f=false

1888 pic of the old Star & Garter Hotel in Richmond upon Thames. Scroll down the page to see pics of the present day Royal Star & Garter Home:
http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-richmond-upon-thames-the-old-star-and-garter-antique-print-1888-99881351.html?pv=1&stamp=2&imageid=098920C2-5FFE-4667-B0D2-43948A3760A4&p=283958&n=67&orientation=0&pn=1&searchtype=0&IsFromSearch=1&srch=foo=bar&st=0&sortby=2&qt=richmond%20upon%20thames&qt_raw=richmond%20upon%20thames&qn=&lic=3&mr=0&pr=0&aoa=1&creative=&videos=&nu=&ccc=&bespoke=&apalib=&ag=0&hc=0&et=0x000000000000000000000&vp=0&loc=0&ot=0&imgt=0&dtfr=&dtto=&size=0xFF&blackwhite=1&cutout=&archive=1&name=&groupid=&pseudoid=&userid=&id=&a=&xstx=0&cbstore=1&resultview=sortbyPopular&lightbox=&gname=&gtype=&apalic=&tbar=1&pc=&simid=&cap=1&customgeoip=&vd=0&cid=&pe=&so=&saveQry=&editorial=1&t=0&edoptin=

Telling of Queen Mary & the Red Cross buying the remnants of the Star & Garter Hotel on "Old Bond Street." Now the home is said in the title of the article "Royal Star & Garter Home , Richmond Hill, Richmond, Surrey."
http://ezitis.myzen.co.uk/royalstarandgarter.html

At the moment haven't IDed the pewter touchmark. I'll look at my references tomorrow for the mark.

--- Susan

 

Good mornin' all. I'm back! Think I found the pewterer. After working with the touchmark pic, believe the name is John Foster. Above the crown is either IOHN or JOHN. Back when, Js were written like Is. At the bottom of the mark is "FOSTER." In the middle of the touchmark is a crown followed with a badly rubbed something that really stumped me. Most of the pewter books ID marks from the devices used. As I couldn't make out what was below the crown I was stumped because there are a multitude of touchmarks that use a crown. Also wasn't sure if the last name was FOSTER, POSTER, FOSTEB, POSTE something or other. Finally running each name through a search engine came up with a John FOSTER whose devices were a crown and bible/book. As that is a square of some kind under the crown, a Bible/book, it had to be.

I found John/IOHN FOSTER was a pewterer in London in the mid to late 1700s. He registered his touchmark (crown and book/bible) at the Pewterer's Hall noting he became a "Yeoman" in 1742. He and a description of his touch is listed in the "Touches at Pewterer's Hall" that is the Appendix A of the reputable online book on pewter. Pewter plate: a historical & descriptive handbook, p. 242, #897.
To enlarge the pages(s) click the + magnifying glass icon that should appear on the pages toolbar.
https://archive.org/stream/pewterplatehisto00massuoft#page/242/mode/2up/search/897

This is a direct link to the start of Appendix A with a short description of what the abbreviations in the listing mean. John Foster has the abbreviation "b.p." these means "between pillars" and a "Y" meaning a Yeoman.
https://archive.org/stream/pewterplatehisto00massuoft#page/198/

--- Susan

 

Wow, thank you for the information. Very thorough. We have a bunch of stuff we need to figure out what it is and what to do with it. Looks like I've found the place to get help with all of that. My grandparents knew all of this stuff but it was very difficult to learn it all from them. Again thank you very much for the help. Maybe I will archive all of the information I get from here and/or print it out and put it with each item. Then some day when items are more sought after and we know the best way's of finding buyers we will be in the know. Thank you

 

Here is a c1820 mug by John Foster:
http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/15976/lot/340/

The following *.pdf link has a pic of a pewter bleeding bowl made by John Foster after 1740. The bowl is in the Smithsonian. The pdf file is a booklet or article published by the Smithsonian titled: Bloodletting Instruments in the National Museum of History & Technology by Davis & Appel, p. 8, fig. 4.
View/Open - Smithsonian

--- Susan

 

You're welcome. I know I probably went into too much detail, but pewter as well as history are special interests of mine.

--- Susan

 

Maybe I'll start getting into it as well, it's rather amazing that for over 200 years this bowl has gone from place to place, started in London and ended up in Colorado only to sit here in my hands, it's just mind blowing.

 

Forgot to add that after I found what devises he used in his touchmark, I went back to one of my pewter book references.
Cotterell's Old Pewter Its Makers and Marks, p. 211, #1733.

I found him in it with a pic of his mark. It says:

1733. Foster, John, London : 9 Oct 1735, Y. Touch, 897 L.T.P., struck c. 1741. Was given leave to strike his Touch in 1741.

"Y following a date signifies year of election to the Freedom or Yeomanry of the London Company."
"L.T.P. signifies that his mark appears on the London Touchplates."
Note that it has "897" like the online book. That was probably his registration number into the Pewterer's Hall (Guild).

Am include a pic of his pic. Do note under his listing is another John Foster who was probably his son because of later dates.

--- Susan

 

The sad thing is that the Star and Garter home has now been sold off for fancy bloody flats that no one can afford.