18th Century Silver Spanish Coin.

Discussion in 'Silver' started by Shangas, Jan 7, 2017.

  1. Aquitaine

    Aquitaine Is What It IS! But NEVER BORED!

    Now, THAT'S scary!!!!!
     
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  2. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    I'm betting those are collected in their own right, like counterfeit US Confederate banknotes. The forgeries have their own following.
     
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  3. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    Here are some counterfeits I just pulled out of my fake coin bin.
    Three are Spanish colonies purporting to be gold.
    The large Hong Kong Dollar has no silver content whatsover but comes with that well circulated worn look.
    Obverse and reverse views.

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    Here`s a fake miniature Nickel or is it a fake giant Dime :rolleyes:

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  4. Shangas

    Shangas Underage Antiques Collector and Historian

    While I'd like to believe AF and EvelyB, and think they're probably right, I'd still like to get it checked and tested. As Davy said, fakes are nothing new. Even back in the 1700s and 1800s they were churning out fakes and copies.

    It certainly looks and rings like silver, but I would like to be absolutely sure.

    I'll try and get away today and visit my local jeweler. See if he can perform a magnet-test, and weigh the coin as well. If not, I know plenty of people in the local antiques industry in town. I'll ask around and see what they recommend.

    If that doesn't work, I will take it to a local auction-house which I know of, and see if one of their experts can help me.
     
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  5. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    I see at least one strange thing on the coin.The upper right lion is severely worn while the frame around it shows virtually little wear.
     
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  6. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    That could be a worn or damaged die that struck the coin.
    The dies that struck fakes also wore out with use.

    The coin might well be genuine, its just that along with the US Morgan Dollar these are heavily counterfieted.
    The condition is not great from a collectors point of view, but Shangas seems happy just possessing it.
     
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  7. Shangas

    Shangas Underage Antiques Collector and Historian

    I'm not a coin collector, the condition doesn't bother me. I like it for its historical value and interest. I bought it because it was silver, and because it was a famous coin.
     
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  8. Shangas

    Shangas Underage Antiques Collector and Historian

    Better photos:

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  9. Shangas

    Shangas Underage Antiques Collector and Historian

    Took it to the local jeweler's. They weren't able to confirm the metal, but the weight is 6.2g.
     
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  10. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    That`s quite a difference from 6.766g even with wear.
     
  11. Shangas

    Shangas Underage Antiques Collector and Historian

    Well, I did say that it's a very thin coin - only 1mm thick.
     
  12. coffeyce

    coffeyce Active Member

  13. Bev aka thelmasstuff

    Bev aka thelmasstuff Colored pencil artist extraordinaire ;)

    I posted these before. This bag was in my mother's stuff and these coins were in it. Nothing spectacular, but obviously she cared about them. I just think it's cool to hold something that ordinary people would have used two or three hundred years ago. IMG_3037 (800x600).jpg IMG_3035 (800x600).jpg IMG_3036 (800x800).jpg
     
  14. gregsglass

    gregsglass Well-Known Member

    Hi Bev,
    Reminds me of the finds when the Govnt put I-95 through the waters edge of Philadelphia in the 70s I was lucky enough to find an Elizabeth the First coin from the 1561 and a French Sou coin Henry IV coin from 1594 plus a dozen or so of silver dollars from the 1880s, They are my lucky coins.
    greg
     
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  15. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    Looks like you have a few George III coppers that would have circulated in the colonies.

    Over the years I have sold quite a lot of these well worn coins to US buyers, because in theory they could have been used in the colonies and they are reasonably common over here. Yours may have crossed the ocean several times in some sailor's pocket and bought beer in rough taverns.
     
  16. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    Greg - makes you wonder what else was in there , and what's been paved over. The Brits found Richard III under a car park. Maybe Jimmy Hoffa and Blackbeard's treasure are under I-95?
     
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  17. coffeyce

    coffeyce Active Member

    they would have looked like this when new.

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  18. Bev aka thelmasstuff

    Bev aka thelmasstuff Colored pencil artist extraordinaire ;)

    One of them is an 1837 Province Du Bas Canadian Half Penny. Since my grandparents came down from Quebec in the late 1800s, I'm fairly certain that one came with them or from one of the relatives.
     
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