Glazed ceramic persian/islamic dish/bowl (?)

Dear All,

for sometime now, i am trying to identify this piece, where it comes from..?

This is not porcelain, it is glazed ceramic piece - is there any age in it, i will let you decide, looks like it is, hopefully several centuries.

seems that no one has to say about bottom mark either.

it has persian taste for sure (?) but colors..Unless very unusual one here.

maybe europe with persian patterns imitation, etc?

so far i just have different types of guesses on hands, nothing stronger what could be considered as "fact" or closer as to a fact

measures: weight 690g; diameter ~10 inch; diameter across foot rim: ~ 5.35 inch; height from surface to top rim ~ 2 inch

Few pictures for your consideration below.

Regards
2fat2slow

 

Let me preface this by saying I am not an expert on such pottery. I can see why you think Persian influence. You might also look at Turkish Iznik pottery. My gut feeling is that, while this has some age to it, I doubt earlier than 19th century due to the number on the bottom. Also, the way the bottom is finished with complete glaze and thin short dry-ring makes me think not ancient.

 

Dear verybrad,

I am not aiming to date this one to ancient times, God forbid me from this

Regarding bottom mark maybe it is not number at all - maybe it is some sort symbol with not perfect executed representation here..

What makes me think about real existing aging, this is naturally crackled glaze, especially on a back of the plate, one of most beautifully crackled glaze which i ever seen.

Let's wait for someone who maybe will be able to confirm country where it was made, back it up with maybe real example - then will be easier date this plate. Guessing is guessing, nothing more, when it comes to guessing i guess everyone feels right and feels correct in that spot..if you known what i mean

Thank you for your opinion here!

Regards
2fat2slow

 

Another opinion.
The mark is probably the decorator's mark and not the maker.
I would have guessed German. Looks similar to a Villeroy and Boch pattern I once had. Soup bowl. Crazing occurs from heat.
I agree with Brad late 1800s

 

While I prefaced my remarks with not being an expert on this type of pottery, I do have over 40 years of experience dealing with antiques, including old pottery. My comments were not made in a vacuum of experience. Otherwise, I would not have bothered to comment at all.

 

Oh my, I didn't see that comment.

Guesses or opinions, all are meant to help you in your search for the correct answer. You need to follow up and confirm anything that is stated. We are not the end all answer.

However, like Brad many of us have been doing this for many many years. So our suggestions, comments, answers are usually pretty darn good and more often than not, they are correct.

 

When someone writes WAG.....they're guessing.

Otherwise....every answer should be considered , without condescending remarks.

 

Dear all,

i am as everyone else here, seeking for advise or additional information at this forum, nothing new here.

i respect every member here and there, and more over i respect every single comment or replay!

what i tried to say, that would be great to hear a comment with something more that just guess.

as you guys, as you say, most of you, doing this thing for long years, you should know that no one date piece without understanding where it is been made.

"when you known what you have" patterns, shapes, glaze, etc. kicks in and then pretty much there is a chance to date piece. For now let's say as late 1800s, etc. more likely unprofessional is you do this for a long time..why it can not be mid 19th century or first half 19th century?

my point is - is some one says let's say late 1800s it is good enough, but it should be backed up with additional details. Let's say for example 50 years difference in antique world is important in every aspect.

you guys over reacting to my posts i am just trying to stay objective. If it is German, great - would be very helpful to see close match up at least for patters,etc. Similar patters all over the world, you can end up browsing Moroccan pottery.etc and after hours and hours of research you will find yourself in a same spot In my case i wasted enough of my time on this one already, so i am hoping that someone will known more about this one - than - "once i had similar German piece with similar patterns" - at least would be very helpful here to see it that similar German soup bowl..

Kind regards
2fat2slow

 

First off, this forum is a help forum and not an all answer. What it is, is a bunch of OGs that have enough knowledge on art and antiquities to offer a knowledgeable opinion to point you in the right direction to further your inquiry request. When you start to belittle the opinion they offer it defeats the purpose of it. Second, be grateful that they offer their knowledge, even if it is off or not the answer you are wanting. No, I am a novice in this and the times I have made inquiries, everybody has been very helpful and more than a couple of times the opinions I have been given have pointed me in the right direction to find the answer.

 

Hello 2fat2slow - the polite response would have been - "Thank you for your opinion. I look forward to what others may have to say." It would have prevented these hurt feelings.
Don

 

Dear Mario,

so far no one said anything what i don't know already.

More over - i posted several pieces previously, no luck at all..So i just got 2 opinions on this one: no one want's to share information for free, 2nd nobody knows anything. Which one is it?

if you want ton school my about online forums and how they are helpful and if your are trying to say "how good & perfect this forum is" - i suggest you to give it a go at http://gotheborg.com/ if you want to understand what "real antiques forum is" how does inside kitchen looks like and what knowledge is and how that knowledge shared for free give it a try and then we will talk about forums.

Such kinds of forums - my last stop when seeking for advice. I hope you not thinking that this only one forum which i use time to time when seeking for advice regarding antique (-s) if needed.

If you got an idea that current piece was not re-searched and discussed and over discussed with different people, you a wrong. My case is not one of " came here, used some one knowledge" without putting my time into personal re-search.

Let's say glazed base not a fact that piece is 19th century. It can be earlier it can be from 20th century.No offence to anyone, answer that it is from 19th is thin air and if that thin air stated close as fact..I hope you get my point.

Proffesionall

 

Not saying how "good and perfect" this forum is, just that it is helpful. Again, not all the time. Yes, I am familiar with gotheborg forum, the only difference is that they charge 30 bucks a year to be able to use it, no, I am not a member. That and 20 bucks if you want direct help from Jan-Erick. That and they are more Japanese/Chinese ceramic marks.

 

I have gut feeling that this issue with my plate end up where it started, right at the beginning..If that's the case, most likely i will stop using this forum at all, as i mentioned previously no real objective help here..well at least i was not able to find so far.

 

Remember that for the next item you need help with , so you don't waste your time here ....

 

This is exactly what i will do - as so far, this one and all previous my pieces which been posted here - can be classed as "time waste".

No hard feelings.

Have a great day everyone.

 

I just checked your other inquiries.
You received some very credible opinions. With places to continue your search and education of your pieces.

https://www.antiquers.com/threads/d...lates-dating-advise-please.13111/#post-188094

https://www.antiquers.com/threads/b...dish-where-is-it-been-made.14026/#post-197510

Instead, you did not get the answers you were looking for. I'm sorry your pieces were not exceptionally old and valuable as you had hoped. You belittled the responses you received, just as you have here rather than thanking people for their time and moving on.

I wish you luck in your future inquiries, as I doubt many will be willing to help you here now.

I do have a suggestion. If you wish to be the expert above everyone else, you need to go to the library get some books, start reading. Then visit some museums to inspect what is on display, search out the curators and experts to discuss what makes one piece better than another.

In the meantime best of luck to you.

 

Ironic post fulfilled with anger..?

When YOU never been and never seen real "credible opinions." i guess you can't judge, as YOU don't know what it is and simply YOU never been and never dealt with people which known what they are talking about, more over with back in it up every single opinions which been expresses regarding piece..Well, as people say - chickens never meant to fly.

Good luck - leaving this not useful forum at all.

 

I will be nice enough show to you small fracture of WHAT REAL DISCUSSION IS, very small fracture from ONE topic.

This forum feels like kids playground with cheap toys, when comparing to several other related to antiques..As i am a man which seek for several opinions from several different sources to get better idea WHATS GOING ON IN REAL, i use 6-7 forums..no offence to anyone here - probably i am in a wrong place and my expectations is high..Well, this is who i am and this is how i do it. At this forum- not possible to learn something new, not possible to find "real deal" when seeking for advice, total waste of time.

You are welcome.Enjoy.

 

Moderator? This post is going in circles.

 

Fortunately there is an ignore button, and I know how to use it; though even more fortunately, there is very little need for that button in this forum.