Ducth or English delft plates ? Dating advise please

Hi guys,

Can someone please help me to date blue & white dutch delft charger?

And other 2, i do not fully understand what are they and aproxx. age. Blue and white can it be possibly english delft? with V.M.D. mark?

I have no idea about last one.

Any suggestions more than welcome.

Thanks

 

I can tell you about your first piece. According to the book "Discovering Dutch Delftware", it is by the factory De Delftse Pauw which is located in the city of Delft. It was founded in 1954 and as of the time the book was published in 1998 it was still in business.

The other two I'll think about and others will probably have opinions. The second I'm thinking maybe Spain? I get the impression that the last two are trying to look old but sometimes traditional pottery is like that and "old" is a relative term.

 

Regarding delft, you have this factory on your mind?

"De Delftse Pauw is pottery factory from the 17th century located in the north of the city Delft (in the Netherlands) on the Delftweg (close to the Schie). It is one of the few pottery factories which carry on the tradition of handpainted Delft pottery."

Thanks

 

De Delftse Pauw (the Delft Peacock) still exists and welcomes visitors, if you're ever in the area: http://www.delftsepauw.com/history.html

I agree, the second one looks Spanish.
The third one could be Spanish as well, possibly from Manises, near Valencia.

 

Hi,

when it comes to Europe antiques - i am not very good here, if there isn't any markings, so for me more guessing games, usually i seek for advise

pretty much confirmed that blue and white one is Spanish, found similar mark, which would probably seals a deal here.

http://www.xupes.com/Antiques-Fine-...h-Faience-Painted-Tin-Glazed-Dish-19Th-C.html

that multi colored one, still need to do some homework, we will see how it goes, will try to research Spanish culture, maybe will be able to find similar patterns.

Thank you

 

I don't think they are antique. These are traditional styles that are still being made.

There were several factories called De Delftse Paauw (not Pauw) from the seventeenth century onward.
Your plate is marked De Delftse Pauw (not Paauw), this is modern Dutch spelling, which means that this is the factory that was founded in 1954. This style of delftware is still made, mainly for tourists.

The Spanish plates are still sold in just about any craft centre or souvenirshop in Spain, Spanish shops elsewhere, and online of course:
https://www.tienda.com/table/ceramics.html

I am no specialist, but I think you have to look at very specific properties before you can say your plates are old or antique. In pottery and porcelain, the smallest things are important clues. For instance, the 19th century dish doesn't have a foot rim, but does have cracks in the glaze, yours has a foot rim and no cracks. Also the white base colour seems to be different.
The letters on your Spanish plate and the antique one on xupes.com could be Roman numerals, the letters on the antique one certainly look like numerals.

 

I will just add this. Yes small details can be an aid in direction but it's important not to read too much into some things. For example, tin-glazed plates from the 18th Century can have foot rims and can lack crazing (cracking) so those are not definites.

 

Dear All,

well it is always very easy and simple trough "facts" to face, talk about glaze, how it cracks when going trough time, how it worn off, etc.

maybe some one will be able to provide at least links to pieces which are antique to have a chance to compare everything. Would be very great to hear anything and see anything similar what is truly antique.

Books, exhibitions, or anything like that would do a great job here i think, because words and assumptions without anything what can be considered as fact = guessing game.


Kind regards
2fat2slow

 

2 auctions a week for 20 years is about 2000 auctions. Examining and handling about 50 items per auction and thinking about all of them is about 100,000 items.

It's the only way to get your knees brown.

 

I've got numerous examples of early tin-glazed pieces as well as more modern Delft examples. I've also got many books on the subject and there is always new information so I don't consider myself anything near an expert and often feel in the dark.

Anyway what I have found is that actual good reference sites often only show the "decorated" side of an item without giving any views beyond that. Places that have items for sale often are accompanied with more views but sometimes have faulty information. So here are a few places to start but keep in mind that some of these will likely have pieces of historical interest or of extreme quality rather than the more modern or more mundane.

http://collections.vam.ac.uk/

http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/collection_online/search.aspx

http://www.goudadesign.co.uk/page1.html

 

Here are some of the books I have if you're looking for titles.

 

Here are some of the pieces I have and time permitting I'm happy to flip them over and show all sides of any (and there are many more but hey who's counting). Living in the US I think I've bumped into far fewer than if I lived on the other side of the pond but I've tried to cobble together a variety of types.

Not all things in these photos are tin-glazed and they are just a they sit in my house.

Modern Delft


Old

 

Dear All,

thank you for your replays

Dear say_it_slowly,

thank you for books and additional pictures!

P.S. this is not Delft ware related, but maybe it will usefull to someone in a future, great collections to browse, please follow a link below;

http://www.asia.si.edu/

Regards
2fat2slow