A few more glass negatives for those interested

Discussion in 'Antique Discussion' started by Bookahtoo, Jun 1, 2014.

  1. Bookahtoo

    Bookahtoo Moderator Moderator

    Thanks Bakersma! He sure took a lot of photos, and unusual ones, for an amateur. Here's one that he noted was"Netta and Mrs. Camplier playing cards and quarreling" -

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    Note the drawn knife and gun.

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    Mrs. Campliers:


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    I believe Netta has a full house and Mrs. Campliers has a royal flush:

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  2. Bev aka thelmasstuff

    Bev aka thelmasstuff Colored pencil artist extraordinaire ;)

    You have to start reading Mary Roberts Rinehart stories. This looks just like a scene from one of her Tish Carberry novels.
     
  3. Bookahtoo

    Bookahtoo Moderator Moderator

    This is a different camping trip where Cleo went along:

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  4. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    I wonder if that's "Mrs. Campliers" in the flat cap just to the right of the fellow in dark hat looking straight into the camera.

    Are there any New Hampshire references?
     
  5. Bookahtoo

    Bookahtoo Moderator Moderator

    One envelope reads: Camplin's cabin 8-28-1904. Santa Fe Mountains near Idaho Springs Colo. So I guess it's Camplins not Camplier.
     
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  6. Bookahtoo

    Bookahtoo Moderator Moderator

    Here's a shot of the same group - on their way to the camp, I bet. Blurry, unfortunately.

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  7. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    He must had a precarious perch along that trail.

    I would not have guessed the west, but they could have still been living in Ohio which would have made it a bit easier.

    So, his parents were Samuel G Willson, who died in 1898. His mother was Allie Bushnell. There is a family plot in a cemetery in Columbus, but it doesn't give birth dates for the parents.
     
  8. Ladybranch

    Ladybranch Well-Known Member

    I also thought that pic looked faked. Sooo cropped, zoomed, edited... for a better look. Still not sure, but do think the beard is real now.

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    Going back to my reply #9.... Gee it would have been interesting if we could see all of the number on that Curtiss "Jenny" biplane. If the number was 44925, "...44925 (135 OS) w/o in takeoff accident at Linden, AL Nov 30, 1922..." this picture might be a real prize for you. Curtiss "Jenny" Serial number 44925 was the plane of the WWI air ace James Armand Meissner after he returned to the states. His flying comrades in WWI were Eddie Rickenbacker and the Lafayette Escadrille. After WWI, he moved to Birmingham, AL where he was instrumental in organizing the Birmingham Air Flying Club. "It was Alabama's first Air National Guard unit and the 7th in the United States." While flying with this group, he was their commander officer, he crashed his "Jenny" outside of Birmingham near Linden, AL. He survived unhurt but the plane was totalled. He died in the 1930s. Rickenbacker was one of the pallbearers at his funeral. His ashes are buried in Arlington National Cemetery

    1. Scroll a good 3/4ths of the way down the page to the line:
    "221130 JN-6H AS 44925 135Sq Birmingham, AL TOA 5 Meissner, James A. USA AL Linden, AL"
    http://www.aviationarchaeology.com/src/1940sB4/1922.htm
    2. Scroll about 1/3rd of the way down the page:
    http://www.jeffcohistory.com/newsletter_Apr_13_pg2.html
    3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Armand_Meissner

    --- Susan
     
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  9. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    I was having a tough time understanding how Willson and Meissner could have any connection, especially after reading the Birmingham AL information Susan posted that implied the Meissner spent his childhood there. And I do know that Wikipedia is fraught with veracity issues - but the Wiki page about him says he "grew up in Brooklyn" and graduated from Erasmus Hall HS there.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Armand_Meissner

    So, since Willson was living in Brooklyn when Meissner was in HS (he was born in 1896 so high school would have been around 1910 - 1914) I wonder if they knew each other - neighbors maybe, or maybe he was a friend of Cleo's? It just seems otherwise quite improbable that a hobbyist photographer would travel all the way to Alabama to take his picture (assuming that's him in the pilot's seat in the photo.)
     
  10. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    Maybe just a friend who flew there, had his/her photo taken?

    Thank you to ALL whom have done so much research on this, so interesting.

    Book, can you see for sure that the horses crew is same people as in the photo under tree?
    I cannot see well enough to tell..
     
  11. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    Susan thank you for the enlargement, looks more "natural" hair and beard now but the rest totally staged. :)
     
  12. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    The while thing looks fake -- the facial hair, the pose, and so on. The background looks wrong for the outfit. It all looks to me like someone having a lot of fun with costumes and props (including the pipe). I like it a lot, but I think it's a gag.

    The way the small revolver is 'carried' is utterly impractical. However, it leads me to think the dressed up person is in fact a woman. A man already has a 'weapon' in that position, a woman might feel the need of one. Or it might be ironic?
     
  13. Ladybranch

    Ladybranch Well-Known Member

    >I was having a tough time understanding how Willson and Meissner could have any connection ...It just seems otherwise quite improbable that a hobbyist photographer would travel all the way to Alabama to take his picture (assuming that's him in the pilot's seat in the photo.)<

    I agree, Bake, improbably. Oh well, just thought I'd throw out the info on Meissner anyways. BTW, I doubt the man in the plane is the pilot because he is in the wrong seat. I've flown a few times in a 2 seated biplane. The pilot always sat in the rear seat. I think the pilot is standing on the ground with the old leather helmet on. I tried to compare the pics of Meissner from those articles to any of the men in the picture, but can't say for sure if either looks like Meissner. Those pics of him seemed to have been taken during WWI possibly 5 years before like c1917-18. Here's another pic of him showing him with a broader face more like the possible pilot in the pic. Scroll down a little to the newspaper clipping:
    http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=49259068

    --- Susan
     
  14. Bookahtoo

    Bookahtoo Moderator Moderator

    Here's a crop of the 3 men:

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  15. Bookahtoo

    Bookahtoo Moderator Moderator

    I found the envelope information - sorry that I didn't include it in the first place - it says "Aeroplane Jennie Arcadia Fla Jan 5 22" This indicates to me that he didn't know the men. He probably just asked if he could take their photo. Maybe they were Barnstormers?
     
  16. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    I was just going to say that, if nobody else had already!
     
  17. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    You're a braver woman than I, Susan!

    And a better "searcher" as well. :)

    Even if that's not Meissner, it was very interesting to read about him and his exploits.
     
  18. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    Yes, I thought it was a woman back in my post #13.

    Still looks like a woman to me when looking at the overall, said it because to me it looks like the opening of the shirt is edged with a scarf? Or maybe that is the shirt itself, but it looks girly-guy to me. Even the chest looks buxom. JMO

    Y'all are fantastic searchers!
     
  19. Bookahtoo

    Bookahtoo Moderator Moderator

    Susan and Bakersgma - I am very grateful for all your research. It's very helpful, and makes it all so much more interesting and fun.
     
  20. Bookahtoo

    Bookahtoo Moderator Moderator

    Anti - my theory is that the man is a "gypsy" of some kind. Look at his wonderful long tight curls, his scarf, and the natty tassels on his boots.
     
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