Need help with this vase mark. Holland

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  1. UserUnknown

    UserUnknown Active Member

    Bought this at a local thrift store with the possibility to sell it. I was very thrown by the green "HOLLAND" painted mark. It made me think it was a pretty piece of pottery that I wouldn't mind if it was new and I ending up having to keep flowers in it. While I was taking pictures I noticed two things. The first, numbers and letters impressed on the bottom. Second, when using flash a GOUDA HOLLAND mark appeared under the green painted one. I found the shape in a picture from a current display at the Gouda Museum from the Leen Muller collection. This led me to Fons Decker. I am having a hard time trying to find the information in the US as most seems to be in Dutch? I just don't understand this green mark. Was it an original that someone thought was a fake and then remarked it to pass it as original? Is it a reproduction that someone tried to pass as authentic? Thanks for any help!
     

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  2. msgood2shoe

    msgood2shoe Well-Known Member

    Possibly a reference to Holland Molds? A maker of hobbyist ceramic molds? A complete SWAG by the way
     
  3. johnnycb09

    johnnycb09 Well-Known Member

    What are those letters below the green holland mark ?
     
  4. UserUnknown

    UserUnknown Active Member

    SWAG? Unfamiliar with this term. The letters below look to be GOUDA HOLLAND which I did not see until I looked at the pictures taken with the flash.
     
  5. UserUnknown

    UserUnknown Active Member

    Or the impressed ones? HB, KB, HR, KR not sure something like that or even a 3.
     
  6. UserUnknown

    UserUnknown Active Member

    Along the edge are impressed what looks like #s with a / mark.
     
  7. janetpjohn

    janetpjohn Well-Known Member

    SWAG=some kind of wild a**ed guess, maybe Scientific or Stupid, depending.
     
  8. UserUnknown

    UserUnknown Active Member

  9. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I am Dutch. If you give us the Dutch website(s), I could give you an English summary of what it says.
     
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  11. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I will get you the summary tomorrow, it is 9 pm here and I'm about to 'close for the day'. I glanced over it and it is mainly about how Leen Muller attracted artists like Fons Decker and encouraged them to experiment with glazes.

    The book on the exhibit has 304 pages and has 500 color photographs and 400 reproductions of period black and white pictures.
    It costs €35.00 (euro), which is about $39.00. They do ship to the US, the shipping cost is €20.00, about $22.50.
    Primavera Pers (= Press) specialize in art history, etc. It all looks very good, they have book presentations at major art fairs, etc.
     
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  12. UserUnknown

    UserUnknown Active Member

    Thank you so very much. Even that small summary helped with some questions I had. :happy:
     
  13. UserUnknown

    UserUnknown Active Member

    The first site has an option to translate to English on my phone. Maybe the others do as well. :facepalm:
     
  14. UserUnknown

    UserUnknown Active Member

    Apparently phones just do that now. The other site links have the option to translate when I open on the phone. Technology. Maybe my blunder will help other not so savvy smartphone users.
     
  15. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Wonderful. I was just about to start the summary.
    Some translation tools seem to create a language of their own though, so if you need any help just ask.
    I just checked some of my Gouda pieces by Karel van de Heuvel, and they have the design code impressed into the clay, DSC06520 (640x427).jpg DSC06521 (640x427).jpg
    as well as painted. In the pictures you can see that the impressed and painted codes are both 996.
    My guess is this double coding was done because the pottery was fired twice and the painters could see from the impressed code which design to paint.

    Here is a picture of the building of Plateelbakkerij Zuid-Holland after it was closed.
    Overzicht_voorgevel_-_Gouda_-_20358555_-_RCE (639x640).jpg

    By the way, if I were you I'd keep the vase, it is so pretty.
    If you do want to sell, bear in mind that it may be worth quite a lot if you find the right buyer or a specialized auction.
     
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  16. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    Sorry, deleted as site was already posted.
     
  17. janetpjohn

    janetpjohn Well-Known Member

    I am so impressed that you found that tiny picture of your item in that exhibit.
     
  18. UserUnknown

    UserUnknown Active Member

    Once I found the page, it jumped at me. I really would like to get the book that accompanies the exhibit and see better pictures to compare and read.Still just don't feel comfortable with the green mark on mine and the other "hidden" underneath.
     
  19. msgood2shoe

    msgood2shoe Well-Known Member

    BTW, if you use Chrome, Google will usually give you the option of translating foreign language sites.
     
  20. UserUnknown

    UserUnknown Active Member

    Ok. Thanks. I don't usually, but will try it to translate.
     
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