Two baskets, are these Wabanaki or Imports ?

I have these 2 baskets and was wondering if they could be Wabanaki in origin. The first basket is 16" tall including the handle x 11" across and 9" deep.
The second basket is small, at 3+1/2" x 2+1/2".
I don't know if they are Asian or African imports, native to US or even the approximate age.
Any help is appreciated.

 

I'm ignorant on baskets but the top one I feel is not a N.A. Piece from any tribe. A jigsaw was needed and I don't think the N.A.used them. It looks like something ca. 1970's or later. The purely decorative curls don't strike me as N.A. either.

 

I would agree, the first one doesn't appear to be Wabanaki. While that distinctive curled stitch is characteristic of some Penobscot and other Eastern Woodland tribes, this looks fairly recent, and the handle treatment isn't characteristic of any traditional Indian basketry.

The second basket is from the Philippines. It is missing it's lid. The style has been made for at least 50 years. It's still available in craft supply shops.

 

Yeah, the handle was throwing me on the first.
Thank you both !

 

The 1st is a fancy basket & working basket combination.
I'll suggest Micmac , recent, in a potato basket style.
I've never seen that type of handle, or the cord used as filler inside the top rim.

 

The handle is oak; I'm guessing Vintage Craft Show. Someone did an awful lot of work on that. The second as mentioned is mid-century or later Import Shop. They turn up all over.

 

Whatever the origin, I agree that the first one looks like a lot of work went into it. Very unusual. I've never seen similar with those curls. Seems like they would be prone to breaking off, but this one appears to be in lovely condition.

Love seeing these baskets and learning what is what!

 

There ya go................

I've got 3 myself...but they're shy and don't like their picture taken....

hahahaha.....

 

Very nice!

 

Pretty baskets Komokwa ! I have seen the ash curls on NorthEast Woodland baskets before, that's why I was curious about mine.
Still not sure about it though, probably a hobbyist basket but not NA ?

 

Here are the curls, the open bottom weave and the peculiar method of attaching the handle to the rim ...all from Micmac baskets new and vintage.

While the handle is indeed a mystery, I still see it as consistent with the flow of traditional Mi'kmah design..........




Can I prove it , without knowing who wove the basket or finding a duplicate...no...I only have an educated guess based on my findings....that it's a genuine Micmac basket.

 

Interesting, thank you Komokwa.