Identify the musical woodwind instrument please

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  1. rhiwfield

    rhiwfield Well-Known Member

    Mouthpiece missing, made (or retailed) by John Grey & Sons

    14 inches long, slight bell end. In two sections.

    I thought it would be easy to identify but I'm just plain confused
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  2. verybrad

    verybrad Well-Known Member

    Looks like some type of oboe but much less complicated than modern ones.
     
  3. Ladybranch

    Ladybranch Well-Known Member

    I haven't able to find an instrument identical to this one. I thought possible a recorder with metal keys minus the mouthpiece, but couldn't find one with metal keys. Brad, answer of a simple oboe seems to fit. The absence of a mouthpiece with vintage instruments was common for musicians usually carried the mouthpieces around with them for fear of losing them. I did find a beginner, smaller and simpler, oboe that seems a bit similar but not identical and not marked John Grey & Sons.
    http://www.rigoutat.com/student/initiation/?ob=

    BTW, John Grey & Sons was a trademark name used by Barnett Samuel & Sons. Here's a little history about the company on a banjo website.
    http://banjolin.co.uk/banjo/greyhistory.htm

    Edit: According to the history, "John Grey & Sons" trademark was used starting around 1911. Before that "Grey & Sons Ltd" was used. Possibly that tradename stopped being used in 1928 when Barnett Samuel & Sons was bought out by British Equity Investment Co. Ltd???

    --- Susan
     
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  4. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    Could it be a tenor oboe?
     
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  5. all_fakes

    all_fakes Well-Known Member

    It does look like some sort of double-reed instrument. One should not overlook the possibility that it is a type of bagpipe chanter. Although most chanters have simple open holes, some are keyed like this example.
    Here is a similar item made by Henry Starck; see http://www.thebagpipemuseum.com/Starck_Henry.html

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  6. all_fakes

    all_fakes Well-Known Member

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  7. all_fakes

    all_fakes Well-Known Member

    The market for bagpipe chanters is somewhat limited; but even though this is not a top-end retailer or maker, it is unusual to have the keys. You might find a bagpipe chat room or blog that could help with ID or sale of the instrument.
    Such as http://forums.bobdunsire.com/forums/index.php

    And they might also be able to help distinguish between a simple type of oboe and an oboe-like bagpipe chanter - which I can't.
     
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  8. The Lady B

    The Lady B New Member

    I really don't think this is a bagpipe chanter - They always have the thread wrapped tenon at the top to hold it in the bag. Even if the wrapping was missing, the shape of the top in not the proper shape or design to hold a thread wrap that is necessary to hold a chanter in the bagpipe bag. I am certain it is an early oboe. I've also never seen a bagpipe chanter that did not have the large flare that is absent on this instrument. And just a note - oboes don't have a mouthpiece, just a reed that is inserted into the opening on the top.
     
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