Metal object from the ground

Discussion in 'Antique Discussion' started by Makanudo, Mar 21, 2016.

  1. Steersman

    Steersman Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the update.

    Did you learn the implement or tool type?
     
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  2. springfld.arsenal

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    In case you need a refresher on the Avar:

    "The Avars were a confederation of heterogeneous (diverse or varied) people consisting of Rouran, Hephthalites, and Turkic-Oghuric races who migrated to the region of the Pontic Grass Steppe (an area corresponding to modern-day Ukraine, Russia, Kazakhstan) from Central Asia after the fall of the Asiatic Rouran Empire in 552 CE. They are considered by many historians to be the successors of the Huns in their way of life and, especially, mounted warfare. They settled in the Huns' former territory and almost instantly set upon a course of conquest. After they were hired by the Byzantine Empire to subdue other tribes, their king Bayan I (reigned 562/565-602 CE) allied with the Lombards under Alboin (reigned 560-572 CE) to defeat the Gepids of Pannonia and then took over the region, forcing the Lombards to migrate to Italy.

    The Avars eventually succeeded in establishing the Avar Khaganate, which encompassed a territory corresponding roughly to modern-day Austria, Hungary, Romania, Serbia, Bulgaria down to and including parts of Turkey. The departure of the Lombards for Italy in 568 CE removed another hostile people from Pannonia, enabling Bayan I to expand his territories with relative ease and found the empire which lasted until 796 CE, when the Avars were conquered by the Franks under Charlemagne."

    Wikipedia
     
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  3. KingofThings

    KingofThings 'Illiteracy is a terrible thing to waist' - MHH

    GOOD HEAVENS!
    Wow!
    ~
    I find it amusing that you left the period off...after 'period'. :)
     
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  4. springfld.arsenal

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    I shudder to think of where we'd be today if the alliance hadn't defeated the Gepids of Pannonia!
     
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  5. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    you should have left it in the ground to decompose and be one again with the earth.......

    It's the nature of things...
     
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  6. KingofThings

    KingofThings 'Illiteracy is a terrible thing to waist' - MHH

    NOTE:
    If Komo is the only one around......don't fall in a hole.....
     
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  7. springfld.arsenal

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    If it really is that old (I have my doubts) u should consider conserving it with a simple electrolysis procedure, there are many websites with simple instructions, and very little equipment is needed.
     
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  8. Makanudo

    Makanudo There is no such thing as simple.Simple is hard.

    Spring, thats rather detailed info on Avar tribes. You only left out the aspect with Slovene tribes, who moved down from Urals and first became allies with avars and attacked Byzantine empire with them.

    I gave the object to a museum and they are the ones that made the ID. I let them know that if they want to keep it its theirs. I am not sure that they will because they have such a large collection from that period, but they said that they will let me know.
     
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  9. KingofThings

    KingofThings 'Illiteracy is a terrible thing to waist' - MHH

    :)
     
  10. springfld.arsenal

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    Looks like the author of the wiki article may have used different tribe/ethnicity names. But if you are sure there's an error you or anyone can edit those articles.
     
  11. Makanudo

    Makanudo There is no such thing as simple.Simple is hard.

    I believe concept of wikipedia is such that one term may have several separate pages about it. At least thats the case with serbian version and they have it covered on the info I wrote.
    Avars were extremely good horse riders and their physical constitution was such that aided them in that.
     
  12. springfld.arsenal

    springfld.arsenal Store: http://www.springfieldarsenal.net/

    Questions I have about the artifact include the dissimilar metal used for the two rivets. I didn't know rivets were used this early. I'd like to see the results if any forensic analysis is done on this piece. Corrosion looks like that of buried steel . ??
     
  13. Makanudo

    Makanudo There is no such thing as simple.Simple is hard.

    Spring,
    I dont know what methods they used in analysis, wether it was only cognitive based on experience and knowledge or some forensics was involved, but I shall ask.
     
  14. Makanudo

    Makanudo There is no such thing as simple.Simple is hard.

    I have asked and they sent it for analysis and its not Avar.
     
  15. springfld.arsenal

    springfld.arsenal Store: http://www.springfieldarsenal.net/

    Thanks for the follow-up, I particularly appreciate it because for some reason it is rare to get any post-analysis info on this forum.
     
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